Prime Riddick Bowe would destroy new "Ring" champ Wladimir, and this is why!!

Lewis wasn't exhausted by the altitude when he fought Rahman, he'd trained poorly due to the altitude and had failed to aclimatise, boils down to the same thing but he recognised his own faults and corrected the loss. Losing to Rahman at that point was catastrophic and it should never have happened, had Lewis been sensible and professional about that fight there'd be no doubt right now about him being in the top 3 heavies ever, he ****ed up and it's his own fault.

The difference between that and Zaire is that Foreman was fully trained and ready for 15 rounds (or so he thought) but he got out-smarted, out-boxed and out-fought. Lewis didn't suffer any of those, he just came in under-prepared and paid for it against an average fighter.

As for WALDO - please stop making the bull**** excuses up, it's embarrassing to WALDO and yourself. IF the credentials were stolen then how do you think that played a part in his loss? What do you think the person that stole the credentials did to make WALDO lose? Simple question.

 

I accept that what you said in your first paragraph has a ring of truth to it, but there is a slight difference in that WALDO fans are in complete denial on that first Brewster fight, you all act like Brewster didn't even land a shot and WALDO was stopped because he was exhausted, nothing more - which is bull****.

As biased as we all are, even as a Lewis fan I can freely admit that Rahman and McCall landed great shots which floored Lewis. I still think the McCall stoppage was premature and bull**** but in the long run it did Lewis a favour because he dropped Pepe Correa after that fight. The Rahman one was ridiculous and should never have happened but it was Lewis's arrogance that got him KO'd that night for underestimating a challenger, and it WAS A LEGITIMATE KNOCKOUT - Rahman hit Lewis on the chin and down Lewis went. Why can't WALDO fans just give Brewster his dues for doing the same thing? No-ones suggesting Brewster is better than WALDO any more than anyone would suggest Rahman is better than Lewis....he just beat him fair and square so stop the bull****.

 

It isn't a question of "IF".... it is a known fact that the credentials were stolen. What did the person with the stolen credentials do? How would I know? Why would someone steal them? It had to be someone who was inside the game because they knew who to go see in order to pick them up.

What did the person do? I have no idea. I am simply explaining WHY there was so much speculation surrounding that fight. Under those circumstances... with the credentials being stolen... Wlad becoming exhausted the way that he did... the blood sugar levels.... the HUGE last minute late money gambling surge on Lamon Brewster. Something so suspicious that Las Vegas took Vitali vs Sanders out of the sports books because the high rollers felt that something was corrupt and that someone had drugged Klitschko, and feared the same happening when Vitali fought in the states.

What I am saying is... there is obvious reason why there was so much speculation and chatter going on after that fight. That would be the case in ANY fight with all of that craziness surrounding it. I can't understand why you guys act so surprised about people questioning what the hell was going on.

 

He was drugged!

FFS it is truely pathetic nuthugging. Just accept a loss for what it is. It has made Klitschko a better fighter in the long run.

 

I remember this! This was a big deal in my camp, because a bunch of bets for Sanders were refunded and some of the guys I train with were pissed.

Bet they're glad it was given back

 

Off the top of your head is clearly not good enough nor applicable.

Why even bother with those poor examples that any boxing fan would know about and realize they were irrelevant in comparison to the situation versus Brewster?

In Zaire, it was 100 degrees out. What was the temperature for Brewster/Klischko I? I've never found the Mandalay Bay to be anything but spendidly cool (I'm there every month).

Lewis was KOd because he got ripped with a completely clean shot to his grill - though, being out of shape, not training, not climatizing or being properly acclimated to adverse or unusual environmental conditions would all be legitimate explanations for losing a fight. Again, are you suggesting Klit was out of shape for Brewster? If not, why bring that up as an example?

Why bother throwing out two bad examples at all?

Hmm, so are you suggesting that Brewster is a pressure fighter in the same vein as Rocky Marciano? That is the kind of pressure Klit was subjected to? Really?

Or, would it be better to question that entire premise? Rocky wore out a many aged and past prime great fighters - but that is all. He didn't wear out any young, prime champions.

[FONT=&quot]Whether by circumstance or not, Rock did not defeat GREAT versions of Walcott, Charles, Louis, or Moore. Without exception they were either old in years (Louis 39, Walcott 38 & 39, Moore 39) or old in ring years (Charles 95-96 fights, Moore 176 fights).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Charles fought Marciano in two consecutive fights when he was 33 and these were his 95th & 96th professional fights - that is a lot of wars. (Rock got a tough 15 round decision, and badly cut in the second fight, KOd Charles in the 8th). He fought five more years going something like 10 wins and 13 losses.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Rocky was 30 and 31 years of age in his two fights with Charles. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Jersey Joe Walcott fought Marciano in two consecutive fights (and then retired) when he was 38 and 39 years old. These were his 70th and 71st professional fights.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rocky was 29 years old so Joe was giving up 9-10 years.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Archie Moore fought Marciano once when he was just about 39 years of age. This was something like Archie's 176th professional fight.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rocky was 32 years old in this fight.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Joe Louis fought Marciano once (and then retired) he was half way to 38 years of age in the KO loss. It was his 68th professional fight.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Rocky was 28 years old so Joe was giving up ten years.[/FONT]

See above. Mandalay Bay - temperature controlled.

You're kidding right? When the 37 year old Jack Johnson, after all the wars he went through, finally lost in the 26nd round - that is comparable?

Considering that Lennox was the aggressor in the fifth and was stalking Rahman it is evident that if Rahman lands a clean shot to Lennox's grill it wouldn't matter if he was "gassed" or not.


I'll leave SRR off as you haven't picked any fights.


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Bottom line, it sounds like a lot of excuses defending a man who has lost dismally to Ross Purrity, Lamon Brewster, & Corrie Sanders and has been sent to the canvas repeatedly. Perhaps he is actually a good heavyweight with great size, fair/decent skills, and good conditioning fighting in the worst era against absolutely horrible comp.

Nothing to get excited about. A blimp on the screen. Easily forgotten as time passes. Just watch the man fight. Do you really see greatness? I can't imagine any great athlete seeing anything close to greatness in Wlad. None that I speak with or have spoken to over the entirety of his career thinks so (he's suspect in the eyes of all athletes equally).

ESB has a different view. Demographics.

 

I was in Bowe's camp, loved Futch, (Papa Smurf) however, Vlad would have knocked Bowe out. Look what Golota did to Bowe.

 

i can't believe this ****.

i gotta thank lefthook31, jorodz, sues2nd, toopretty, unclepaulie, ilesy etc. for even trying to convince these Wlad nuthuggers of Bowe's ability. you guys know your stuff.

a bunch of people just embarrassingly exposed themselves in this thread. i can't believe the **** that's been uttered by these fools. namely, widdow_maker(really really embarrassing, seriously dude), Sarah (cringeworthy), PolishPummeler(know his ****, just ****ing biased), KCD(don't know why this guy's on a boxing forum) and several others.

believe me, i've had opinions of Bowe not dissimilar to the ones exhibited by these fools long ago. Please educate your dumbass selves and watch the many of his pre-Holyfield fights in their entirety. they're available on youtube, sold by dealers, torrents etc.

just about all of the classic forum posters have good things to say about Bowe

 

Kaki...

It's pathetic to enter a thread and do nothing but attack posters who you disagree with. This isn't a popularity board where I would give a **** what you think about me personally. Provide some facts and input on the subject, or just kill yourself.

Thanks.

Widdow

 

dude. you don't know ****. Bowe wasn't even at his best against Gonzalez. if one fight can convince you then watch the Seldon fight. watch the upper body movement, the footwork, the inside fighting and the counters.

you dumb****.

 

Bowe refused to fight Lewis as a pro. Lewis knocked him out as amateur. I like Bowe though. Bowe Vs. Lewis is a fight that everyone wanted to see.

 

There is a problem with that logic. HE WAS FIGHTING AGAINST BRUCE SELDON! The guy had just been knocked out by Oliver McCall 3 1/2 months prior to fighting Bowe.atsch

That has about as much logic as me telling you that Wlad would knock Lewis out in 2 rounds.... just watch Wlad vs Jefferson.:nut

 

I never said Bowe sucked.He does get ATG treatment without the strong resume IMO.Aside from Holyfield he did have some good wins but most had already had there shot in the 80's and failed.

Plenty of good HW's during his era he should have fought but didnt fight.Dumping his belt and ducking Lewis is disgraceful by any standards.

Call me bias i really dont care...my screen name will do that to people:thumbsup

 

fair point.

but you seriously underrate bowe's abilities.

 

I know you are a doofus and all but shouldn't that statement include some elaboration or clarification?

That so-called "knock out" was as much a knock out as RJJ's loss to the South Korean in '88.

[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K39AbwNl3QU[/yt]

The ref ruined what should have been a great contest. The 21 year old Bowe had the better punches in the 1st with a nice run mid-way through the round. The ref kept interceding and threw off his rhythm and finally through multiple warnings took away a point. The 23 year old Lewis took advantage and landed a couple clean power shots in the 2nd rocking Bowe. The ref gave a standing 8, another bogus warning, and then abruptly called the fight after the next clean landed punch.

That was hardly decisive (as any Lewis fan would acknowledge) and ruined what should have been a good battle.

Saying he was "knocked out" is misleading if you have watched the contest.