Sick of this "tune-up" crap, Marquez v Mayweather is a SERIOUS fight!

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Jul 6, 2009.


  1. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    Granting JMM and PAC are on the same level as fighters, why Mosley is not pursuing a JMM fight? Why do fans not talking about JMM vs. Cotto fight...

    GBP can easily make the JMM vs. Mosley fight since they're both GBP boxers and Mosley can replaced the injured PBF but promoters know that JMM vs. Mosley is not a logical fight but PAC vs. Mosley is... PAC vs. Cotto is... So JMM and PAC are actually not on the same level...
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  2. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    I asked you first a question, can you please answer that first?

    Can you give me one tangible advantage of JMM over Floyd?
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  3. DINAMITA

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    Punching power. Warrior's heart.

    Both of which will play a part.

    What tangible advantages did Jose Luis Castillo have over Floyd??

    Still gave him one HELL of a fight.

    Marquez is better than Castillo.

    He may not beat Floyd, but to say he has a 0.01% chance is moronic. That's Douglas vs Tyson style odds.

    And we know what happened there.

    You cannot completely write off someone of Marquez's skill. Write off a no-hoper, sure. But as a boxing fan, you should know better than to write someone like Marquez off.
     
  4. Scar

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    That's a stupid question if you're a boxing fan. How am I supposed to know what advantages JMM has when I have never seen him fight at this weight?, for all we know power could be a new advantage, speed, stamina or whatever. I'm not the one claiming I know everything Marquez will do at the new weight.
     
  5. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    Punching power? Really you gave that to JMM? Are you so sure?

    Heart is not a tangible factor, give me a tangible one (real, concrete, physical, touchable)...

    Did I completely write off JMM? I gave him 0.01% chance of winning and it's not zero...
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  6. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    OK, so there's no point discussing this if you have no opinion on what JMM will do and will have at 147/144...
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  7. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    So tell us what super powers do you have that you can see everything Marquez will do at a weight he hasn't performed at yet?

    There are many that claimed to have the exact same supernatural powers before Pac met DLH, remember?
     
  8. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    Seeing Pac & now JMM make the move to the higher weight's...
    makes you think how much discipline & cutting they really did to maintain the FW division.

    Come Sept. JMM might be as strong as he has ever been.
    (No cutting & now working on his strength, he won't have to worry about the workrate of PBF either, JMM can sit back and counter Floyd's pot's & use his uppercut's against his shoulder tuck & roll's.)
     
  9. buxzer

    buxzer Eastern Champ Full Member

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    It's called prediction and I already layed out my prediction for this fight... PBF will win this tune up fight against JMM... What's your prediction for this fight?
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  10. DINAMITA

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    OK, substitute the word 'heart' for the words 'persistence' and 'endurance'. The point remains the same, Marquez will fight like a lion and use every ounce of skill and fire he has. It will be a factor.

    Power? Well, Marquez hits far harder as a lightweight than Floyd does as a welterweight. Will he carry that power up? Yes, I think he will. He will be marginally the harder hitter on the night.

    Both reasons that make a mockery of your utterly ludicrous 0.01%.
     
  11. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So because Mayweather is a better boxer than Marquez this is a tune up?
    Using this logic Mayweather vs. Pacquiao, Cotto, Mosley or Williams would also be tune ups. :bbb:hey
     
  12. pngo

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    Just wait after the fight and tell me if it really wasn't a mismatch.
     
  13. 8count

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    Well, it's a tune-up. Nothing wrong to get a tune-up. It's not a circus like what DLH did in getting a Pac fight, it's just another fight to get rid of some ring-rust before stepping up the comp. That's no offense to JMM. He is a p4p fighter, but YOU"VE GOT TO REMEMBER that P4P is printed by a magazine for whatever purpose but should not be taken as any indication of how one would fare in moving up/down weight. We can't go arguing using only one argument = P4P. like: " oh, he's p4p number 2, let him fight number 1". "David Haye isn't p4p, so maybe he's an easy fight for any p4p if they fight at a catchweight." It just isn't like that. P4P isn't all that great, it's merely a perception. Hell, if JMM loses to PBF, he's still P4P above all the current numbers 3 - 10.

    Putting aside that p4p thing, one must realize the consistency in the odds of PBF winning (4 to 1) as is the case in any tune-up. Again nothing wrong there, JMM retains his legacy whatever happens, PBF takes care of some ring-rust and WE all get to see what "STYLES MAKE FIGHTS" mean. :lol: imagine... defense vs defense... Honestly, i'm interested to see that.
     
  14. buxzer

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    You can equate "endurance" with "stamina", I don't think JMM being the older and being in many wars as of recent has that advantage over PBF...

    JMM's "persistence" can be fully utilized against aggressive boxers but PBF will just wait on JMM to make the first move... If JMM "persists" on making the first move, I see it more as a disadvantage when he's facing a master counterpuncher like him...

    JMM's warrior mentality will be more of a liability than being an asset in this match up... Styles makes fights...

    When the spectators starts booing, who would be affected more?? ... PBF has no shame whatsoever on what he's doing... PBF will be contented waiting for JMM to make a move... PBF will not be affected by any booing as what he showed in his previous fights in the past...
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  15. DINAMITA

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    This much is true. I can see this happening. However, if it ends this way then Marquez will be sure to go down with all guns blazing - and he'll hurt Floyd en route. No matter what you say, Marquez is just too good to be written off completely. Floyd will probably win, I've never said anything different since the fight was announced, but it is not a foregone conclusion and a fight between two of the world's elite simply cannot constitute a tune-up IMO. :good