Muay Thai fighter vs Boxer?

Alot of people call it a push kick or front kick and when I say those you will know exactly what I mean. Most Thai fighters and trainers call it footjab or teep but obviously it has like 10 names. I think teeps might be the best way to neutrlize a good boxer.

 

Honestly not sure man theres always weird names for **** in martial arts.

 

Arthur wasnt a good boxer, and was way past his prime.

The bottom line is, just because a MT fighter has more tools at his disposal does not mean he will beat the boxer.

The examples of Muay Thai > Boxing are just beyond stupid and is just grasping at straws. All of those examples feature either terrible boxers, past their prime boxers or boxers simply showing up for a paycheque in a dirty, corrupt fighting organization in Japan. Some examples are all of the above.

The bottom line is boxers posess terrific weapons, weapons that a MT fighter would have never seen before. Boxers also have a tremendous grasp of ring generalship, footwork, angles etc which the MT fighter would have most likely never seen before. Kicks arent a boxers kryptonite. The fact people think boxers just crumble from a couple low kicks is just stupid. The talent pool in boxing is also lightyears ahead of that in Muay Thai therefore its logical to assume that the elite in boxing are far greater athletically and far more battle tested.

In my opinion, the best of the best in MT would beat the best of the best in boxing in MT rules. However, it would be fairly competitive. Also, there would be very few MT fighters who could beat elite boxers and im almost certain that those elite boxers would steamroll right through the shallow MT talent pool.

Extreme Couture striking coach, Shawn Tompkins said wrestling and boxing are the hardest things to learn but once you learn those, you can learn MT and BJJ along the way. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

 

I recall a 40 year old washed up Francois Botha beating on Jerome LeBanner.

 

:deal

 

I go to a kickboxing/martial arts gym, and guys that I can totally own in boxing can clean my clock when kicks are allowed. As I always say in the stupid "MMA fighter vs boxer" threads, anyone who thinks boxing is going to be more successful more often than grappling just needs to TRY IT FOR THEMSELVES. Average against average, great against great, kickboxers will beat boxers way more often than the other way around. Try it and let me know if I'm wrong.

 

There are far more participants worldwide in boxing than any other combat sport.

 

I think the point is that boxers always have a legitimate shot.

MT fighter in boxing against elite fighters dont have a shot at all.

 

I guess it depends on what you're definition of "legitimate" is. If the MT fighter is smart (in a MT match with a boxer), he'll keep the boxer off them and break them down with techniques the boxer isn't used to. If he doesn't and just goes in punching, he could lose. In the same fashion, a smart boxer (in a boxing match with a MT fighter) would use his advanates (not so square, use of the shoulder for defense, better use of the elbows to block body shots etc) and not just square up inside and slug it out. If he does, he could lose.

Also, I don't understand why you criticize the kickboxer vs boxer matchups on the grounds that the boxers "aren't good enough to count". If great boxers should beat great kickboxers, shouldn't mediocore boxers beat mediocore kickboxers?

The way I see it, this whole thing boils down to whether or not you learn a few more techniques at the expense of learning fewer ones better; that somone (you, perhaps) would say that learning to kickbox (take Thai or American or Savate or whatever) and learning that would leave you LESS prepared for a fight than if you just worked on punching. What is it that you see as the inherent problem with kicking in a combat sport?

 

I wouldnt say its average kickboxer against average boxer. Botha almost got his head tore off by lennox in 1+half rounds when he was at his boxing best and just because he was neck and neck on points with old tart tyson until tyson knocked him out with 1 punch people think he is decent. Top level Kickboxers couldnt take him out even with headkicks in 3 rounds I dont think he was good at all. Ray mercer was way over it when he went to K1. He got his arse kicked easily by wlad. Dont even know who the hell aurther williams is...not only that but boxrec said he is a cruiser not a heavy. Vince philips was getting Koed in boxing thats why he left and got koed by masato.

I think some kickboxers rely to much on a stonewall defence against punches. Even some of the good ones like John Wayne Parr. Without gloves or wearing MMA gloves all your gonna be doing is testing your chin with that defence. Jwp had a MMA fight and he got drilled down the center of his stonewall guard easily and flinched from the pain then taken down. A boxer would need the right style to beat a kickboxer in a kick rules fight. Oviously good power will make his punches more decisive.

No gloves would make the hands way more decisive. Not only power but the hands are faster and harder to see coming and its very difficult to rely on blocks. Thats why there where maimings, deaths and broken bones back in the early days with the 5oz horse hair gloves and even rocky and louis could break peoples arms, knock teeth out and smash vertabra with the 8oz horse hair. Early day boxing was more realistic because of the gloves, they didnt use stonewall or peek a boo guard so much they had to parry or catch punches or evade. In the bare knuckle days peoples eyeballs could come out.

Clearly a Boxer would do well to get proper prep for a kickboxing fight to learn some basic defences and get used to other "tools" coming at him or at least get some conditioning.

Respect to both styles.

 

Good post. But the boxers that went over didnt fight mediocre kickboxers. And the boxers themselves were way past their prime, old, washed up or frankly not even that good.

 

It is all about who executes their art better. Styles v styles is always open. No one style is superior.