Roy Jones vs. a prime Carlos Monzon at MW

1. Weak argument, ability and performance is not reliant on resume. Jones beat Hopkins anyway who is better than any MW Monzon's beat and is better than Monzon himself

2. Its foolish to say Jones was simply flash/speed, he was a master of many things, imensely strong at the weight and was a very very dangerous puncher/finnisher at the weight. destroying nearly everyone at MW and doing it far faster than Julian Jackson, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank and James Toney, ie knocking out in 1-2 rounds men that went the full distance with the formentioned men.

Saying Jones would fight a defensive only fight is based on what? Because Jones was an offensive beast at 160-168

Jones beats Monzon nearly shutting him out whether over 12 or 15, the skill (yes skill), movement, athleticism, power, unorthodox abilities alongisde the obvious massive difference in speed would be far too much for the relatively straight up Monzon who isn't much of a puzzle to solve in his style

 

I somewhat certainly appreciate it.

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He did well against those who were considered fast during his time. How many fighters did he face who could knock a man out with a hand from behind his back?

Prime Roy Jones is on a level of his own in terms of speed and reflexes. Monzon too strong? He wasn't stronger than Ruiz...

 

You know, the other day, you had a pretty decent post and I stated such. But here you are lurching back to your powder-puncher ways.

Weak argument? You are the king of weak argument on ESB classic. Hopkins better than Monzon? You throw that out there as if it's common knowledge. It ain't. It's highly arguable. Ever hear of Rodrigo Valdez? He is not a man to be casually dismissed.

Jones was an athlete. I understand his style and the difficulties inherent in his style. I also understand Monzon's style, which was the metaphysical opposite of Jones, but no less formidable. Over 15, it is more formidable than Jones'.

You know nothing about Monzon, and should do your homework before you pick a debate with your brain half-full.

 

Here come the apologists! Tell us who the fighter was that Jones knocked out after he put his hands behind his back. I will, it was Glen Kelly. (Who?) I see that you are among those bedazzled by Roy.

Monzon was 10 times the fighter Ruiz ever was. And he sure as hell wouldn't play to Jones' strengths like Ruiz did.

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In sum: Carlos Monzon had 100 fights as a MW. He lost 3. Do you think it was accidental? Jones had 25 fights, losing none. To so casually say that Jones -inexperienced and pre-peak would handle Monzon with ease is idiocy.

 

I was going to put imo after stating Hopkins was better than Monzon, but I think that understates it. Hopkins has a much better variation in his arsenal, better defnsively and before we start to remember an ancient Hopkins, lets not forget a Hopkins in his 20s threw combination after combination and broke his man down with a world of pressure

Now Jones hasnt done 15rounds but he has fought a long fight after playing a basketball game. 1 thing I would agree on is Monzon's style is less physically demanding than Jones, which is but in his prime Jones didnt have a problem maintaining a fast pace

I really don't see Jones having too much problem hitting Monzon while not getting hit himself, Monzon is going to have to time shots but even then there's no guarantee they will land, Monzon's hand speed and recoil is slowish too and Jones would have a party countering him.

 

Carlos beats Jones,Roy folds against the great Monzon, Monzon has the chin boxing ability to wear roy down and win UD maybe a KO if Roy get careless.

 

Carlos Monzon= Real Man

 

Hopkins himself favored only Monzon among MW greats to beat him. I think that says something.

 

YES that Hopkins is modest, loads of fighters will claim a past great is better or would beat them, its the respectful thing to say. Even Ali claimed Johnson as the greatest HW ever in 1 of his books

 

Eking out nothing. Monzon doesnt stand a chance. Whether 12 or 15, it makes no difference. I would bet the house on this one :yep

 

Hopkins modest. Give me a break. And Ali claiming that Johnson is one of the greatest HW ever doesn't show his modesty, it shows that he knows his history.

 

The rooster is officially in his provocative gear now.

 

I'd disagree there, my friend. Monzon was a damn tough fighter to overcome for any MW who ever lived -I'd favor 2 or 3 over him slightly, maybe, but no more. But a real man? I hope not. I don't want to have to be a sociopath to be a real man.

 

yeah, monzon was a piece of ****, throwing a woman of a balcony is not a real man. great fighter though