Your Dream Boxing Book; What's In It?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Ted Spoon, Jul 8, 2009.


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  1. BoppaZoo

    BoppaZoo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ive read Angie Dundee's book well the first 3 chapters (So Dont Telle me Any) so far and mate it is awesome.

    What a book i love books like this.
     
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  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    yeh it is good the stories are amazing in it.
     
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  3. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are there any particular fights you would like to see covered in detail?
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    If that's a general question, then i'd love to see what the what is with the massive Williams-Cocoa Kid series and how Kid was able to dominate Holman so completely.
     
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  5. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do remember you speaking of that about a year ago. Will look into it.
     
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Cool.

    Cocoa Kid is an interesting character. There are some that say he was Cuban, not Rican, and that he came from Cuba with Kid Chocolate but remained when Chocolate was deported, assuming the name Cocoa Kid. It's a story, don't know if it's true.

    He was also involved in one of the most rotten fixes in one of the most rotten era in the most rotten city in the history of boxing, the Oakland Billy Smith debacle in LA.
     
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  7. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Aye, there's a lot to play about with there.

    Any other fights of interest? All contributions are much appreciated.
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Well from the point of view of the "pugilist specialist" reader you couldn't ask for more. He tustled with Burley, Moore, Lytell, Wade, Chase, Jackie Wilson, Slugger White, Holman Williams, Izzy Jannazo, Leto, Furr, Eddie Booker, Chalky Wright the list goes on and on. He fought everyone.

    Then there was the mooted charity match with Sugar Ray, which Sugar Ray ducked out of...that is interesting.

    But I think the main point of interest for this fighter are the Smith fight and the Williams series. The Smith fight was one of the most notorious dives in history. Cocoa Kid was a "business" fighter - a fighter in the control of nafareous someone. He did what he was told, wore the cuffs. But against Williams he was let of the leash...

    Holman Williams has one of the best resumes in boxing history. Kid dominated him. Was Cocoa Kid a vulnerable Cuban swept up by the first manager to approach him? Or was he more complicit in his own downfall as a top fighter, which I genuinely believe he was in spite of his patched record.

    Of course, I could be way off, maybe he just had a style thing over Williams. But it is an interesting story.
     
    McGrain, Jul 11, 2009
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  9. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Ted this book is really getting me excited.

    Robinson vs Gavilan 1 or 2
    Pep vs Saddler 2 (and 1 for that matter)
    ill think of afew more in time

    There is one thing i would like to see a review of the WWs in the 50s it was a dodgy era but filled with great talent but always has that cloud of the Mafia hanging over it.

    I have always thought he was Cuban, didnt know he was supposedly Rican, i have seen pictures of him with all the Cuban greats and always thought of him as Cuban.

    Cocoa kid seems an intresting guy

    This guy seems amazing ill be sure to check him out
     
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  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I would like to see an Adam Pollock style book on the heavyweight Black Dynamite group of Langford, Jeanette, McVey, Johnson and Wills ... a fat, detailed addition that includes his exceptional newspaper style format so maybe we can get more concrete details of the battles between these men as well as their other big fights ....
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Janitor will pop a chubby if he sees this post.
     
    McGrain, Jul 11, 2009
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  12. Cmoyle

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    "I would like to see an Adam Pollock style book on the heavyweight Black Dynamite group of Langford, Jeanette, McVey, Johnson and Wills ... a fat, detailed addition that includes his exceptional newspaper style format so maybe we can get more concrete details of the battles between these men as well as their other big fights .... "

    Without going to the trouble of writing a book, it would be possible for a number of parties to join forces and put together a compilation of newspaper fights reports in chronological order of all the fights involving these men. For example, I have most of the newspaper reports of Langford fights against Johnson, Jeannette, McVey and Wills, and those could easily be cut and pasted out of my master document, and then others who had newspaper reports of fights between the other men could insert those where appropriate. If there was a place to store this information we could pretty easily start to compile it.
     
    Cmoyle, Jul 11, 2009
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