Should there be an end to catch weights regarding PACMAN??

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Pac is showing great heart climbing up to even 140. I don't think you can question his balls because his manager is trying to achieve some advantage for him at the wiegh in.
     
  2. ApatheticLeader

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    In a far less impressive fashion than first time round, and seeing as Taylor lost against Froch at 168, it doesn't exactly show Taylor to be the force he was at 160, does it?

    As for the Ross/McLarnin example, I wonder if that was actually contracted for 145? In any case, both fighters came in so far under the weight that it's rendered meaningless. Also there was same day weigh-in back day, making it fairer (if more dangerous).
     
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    I don't think it's for a title, I'd be beyond livid if it was. But even so, it should be fought at 147, or not at all. If both fighters then wanted to weigh-in far under the limit, that's their business and it would be at their comfort zone as it should be.
     
  4. McGrain

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    How is any of that relevant? They met once, Pavlik won. They met again to settle it at 166 and Pavlik won again. The fight was not meaningless, pointless or distorted. I'm not arguing for Pavlik's resume here so i'm not interested in what Froch did with him, i'm arguing for the validity of the catchweight match.

    It was indeed contracted, and McLarnin disagreed fervently that it was "meaningless" he felt even before the fight that his paranoia regarding losing cash on the scales (there was a Pac-Oscar style monetary agreement in place) was what was responsible for his loss.

    The fight did not take place on the same day as the weigh in.

    The result was a disputed decision, so was the second one which had no catchweight, so was the third which had no catchweight, in other words the catchweight fight produced exactly the same result as the non-catchwieght fights.
     
  5. McGrain

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    Of course it will be for a title. At least, i'd be shocked if it was not!
     
  6. Kurdapyo

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    Are commas and periods new to you? Try them so that we can understand you fully. Anyway, both fighters want to fight each other if they agree to fight at catcweight, right. And welterweight limit is 141-147. If they fight at 143 or 144, it is still welterweight.
     
  7. Kurdapyo

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    Hopkins' schooling of Pavlik proved that Hopkins is the better fighter and no one is claiming that the result was disrupted. Same thing w/ the knocking out of dela Hoya. Hopkins has never had the reputation as a distorted result champ.
     
  8. ApatheticLeader

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    This isn't about Pavlik's resume, but you should ignore what I said there. I mentioned Froch to point out that moving up clearly hadn't helped either Pavlik or Taylor in any way, and the probability that one fighter suffered more for moving up than the other. Having said that, both fighters moved up in weight there, from the same weight class. There may have been no real point at having it at 166 instead of 168, and it shouldn't have affected the super-middle rankings in any way or form. But you're right, that was not distorted. Possibly because they were 2 fighters moving to a weight from the same weight-class.

    As for Ross/McLarnin, I cannot claim to have seen either fight, so this opinion could be very flawed, but based SOLELY on the wideness of 2 of the scorecards in the first fight in Ross' favour and the fact that McLarnin won the second fight, McLarnin could have suffered in the first fight for having to weigh beneath where he naturally was comfortable?

    Like I say though, this is an uneducated, preliminary thought. McLarnin could have just been better second time round and it having nothing to do with the weight.
     
  9. ApatheticLeader

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    It proved that Pavlik had no business at 170. And that DLH shouldn't ever fight above 154. Neither fight should have happened, especially the DLH one.
     
  10. ApatheticLeader

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    I meant that the fact that it was at a catchweight was rendered meaningless, not that the fight was meaningless.
     
  11. McGrain

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    I understood that the fight was made at 166 because Taylor was hurting himself making 160? Surley this should mean that moving up was a help to him? And that Pavlik was able to win the fight regardless of this help should means that any distortion was limited, as we agree.

    Why shouldn't it have affected the rankings for that weight class when it was fought at that weight? I would guess that it was made at 166 as a compromise, because Pavlik wanted to do it at 160 and Taylor wanted to make it at 168. Seems perfectly reasonable to me, sensible even.


    He says it hurt him. The decision was disputed and he won on one of the cards. This exact pattern was echoed in the other two fights.

    It was never really settled between those two - all those rounds and you still just have to toss a coing in trying to decide who is the better of them.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I got that - what I was saying was that McLarnin claimed the reason for his loss was the catchweight.
     
  13. Kurdapyo

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    How would we know if this fight did not happen? Hindsights make everyone a genius, right? How would we know that Pac can beat dela Hoya at 147 if they did not dare to think of holding this fight? There are so many possibilities that we want to know their results. Otherwise, we would be stuck to discussing fantasy fights like we do in ESB. That alone would justify that these fights should happen.
     
  14. Mr Butt

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    yes they are really as i never really went to school mate mostly self taught so sorry mate
     
  15. Guidokz

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    funny thing is..

    people are saying pacfans are praising pacquiao like a god yet the same people are saying, pacquiao should fight cotto at his own weight as if he possess a godlike skill and power to beat a legit welter like cotto..

    you people should stop wining and stop making dumb and bitter post already..