Ingredients To Defeat Floyd Mayweather Jr & Fighters Who Hold Them

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  1. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    I have studied Floyd's career up and down. I know all the aspects of his style; his strengths and his weaknesses. With that being said his strengths far out weigh his weaknesses, the guy is as close to perfection as men such as Leonard, Whitaker, and Robinson have come as far as skill set's go. But, even though he has few weaknesses they are very glaring and have been shown throughout his fights if you have watched close enough. So, what are the tactics needed to take advantage of his weakness and who are the fighters to apply them??? Lets begin.

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    - Floyd's style is all about rhythm and timing. It's what separates him from the rest of the playing field he throws punches at odd moments and puts fighters to sleep with his movement and feinting. But, their have been moments where his rhythm has been thrown off and has been made to look rather "ordinary". Oddly enough Judah had his success early in the fight with his "Pac like" upper body movement which set up his straight left.

    As shown in the Sosa fight, Sosa's odd upper body movement and feinting set up his right hands perfectly and clearly had Floyd uncomfortable.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9CYzQ3TkMI


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    - You must feint constantly in order to force Floyd to reset his rhythm and throw off his timing at the same time setting up your own punches. Floyd also applies this EXACT tactic, which is one of his strengths and makes him tough as hell to cope with. As seen in the Hatton fight he would feint, shooting the straight right hand landing flush in several instances.

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    - You have to keep the lead hand in Floyd's face at all times. It also works with #1, throwing off his rhythm and timing and forcing him to think at all times. Once Floyd gets in a groove and has his rhythm and timing set, BALL GAME OVER! It will be almost impossible to beat him, you must shoot the jab in order to keep him re setting. It also keeps him on the retreat, where one of his other glaring weaknesses come into play. He backs up in straight lines!!! This compromises him and puts on the ropes or in the corner in several instances, only his counter punching and defense covers it up.

    As shown in the Hoya fight, whenever he continuosly threw the jab it threw off Floyd's rhythm and forced him to re set having him clearly confused. He also forced Floyd to back HIMSELF into the ropes and corner.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSWqkGqx7g8

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    - You don't have to be a Whitaker or Loche, but you must have a good defense. When Floyd doesn't land his punches he becomes bothered and starts to think too much.

    Some fighters who can apply such tactics are as follows:

    This Era Fighters Only. To list past era fighters would be quite bit to get into.​

    Manny Pacquiao- Ironically, he has the sort of movement and feinting ability to off set Floyd's rhythm and timing and trouble him. His akward movement and high energy would provide to perfect test for Floyd forcing him to become more active and open up more.

    Juan M. Marquez- He also has the tools to off set Floyd's rhythm and timing. Even though he will be at a some what disadvantage as far size is concerned his counter punching ability and style will make him a formidable foe

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Taylor_brogdon

    Taylor_brogdon Active Member Full Member

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    Very well thought out....im impressed.
     
  3. redmond22588

    redmond22588 Blood and Guts Full Member

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    Rather well written my friend.
     
  4. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    Thanks:good
     
  5. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    Thanks, the English Composition classes paid off:lol:
     
  6. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Good Read.


    EDIT - Im glad this wasn't one of how to beat Floyd and the only thing mentioned is the first castillo fight.
     
  7. redmond22588

    redmond22588 Blood and Guts Full Member

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    seconded
     
  8. smitty_son408

    smitty_son408 J ust E njoy T his S hit Full Member

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    :lol:Know what you mean. Thanks. Do you agree, disagree?
     
  9. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    I agree for the most part with tiny exceptions.
     
  10. SteveO

    SteveO MSW Full Member

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    Probably the most sound arguments and case (with supporting evidence) that I have ever read.
     
  11. 8count

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    Those are general ingredients to boxing. Rythm, footwork, THE JAB and defense. I agree one should have exemplary skills in all those... an elite fighter would.

    Do you have anything tactical? like how one should use the ring against Floyd? What defensive stance one should have against the lead right? Where to move when throwing the jab etc.?
     
  12. JC40

    JC40 Boxing fan since 1972 banned Full Member

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    Intelligent , well thought out and written post , Smitty thanks for the read , mate and I agree with all of it . GDay Ezy !
     
  13. DLSC

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    Very informative. Good one. :good
     
  14. smitty_son408

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    Good question. Personally, using pressure on Floyd is not really the way to beat him. You should back him up intelligently throwing the jab constantly mixing in feints forcing him to back himself into the ropes where you can begin scoring points. Also, you should also force him to come to you at some point in the fight once he begins to start adapting. This will confuse and again make him think and off set his rhythm and timing he had just begun to gain originally. When backing force him to his left (circle to your right) that way he won't be able to consistenly use that great right hand of his. I prefer someone with a high guard who can snap out punches quickly that get there the quickest i.e. Quartey, Pac.
     
  15. fatony

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    Think the only thing missing is a good chin. Gotta be able to take a few as well. And hate to say it uhh "like the castillo fight." Sorry