Should there be an end to catch weights regarding PACMAN??

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  1. ApatheticLeader

    ApatheticLeader is bringing ***y back. Full Member

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    Under the current rules of boxing they are able to do this, yes. Ideally though, catchweights should be outlawed for the same reason title fights can't take place if one of the fighters weighs in one ounce over the limit.

    In fact no, catchweights are far worse.
     
  2. Kurdapyo

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    Cotto's nutritionist won't propose 145 if it is disadvantageous to him. 145 did not come from the Pac's camp. It was proposed by Cotto's camp thru his nutritionist and was accepted. Who are we going to believe? Cotto's nutritionist or some kibitzers?
     
  3. Kurdapyo

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    The highlighted word is the keyword. :D
     
  4. ApatheticLeader

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    I know, 145 came from Cotto's camp. 143 came from Pac's camp initally. They argued about it - they argued about 2 lbs. 2lbs doesn't sound like a lot, does it? In reality it's a hell of a lot. Neither fighter feels comfortable at the weight the other person wants. One of them has to give way - how is that fair to the person that has to give way?

    The fact is, someone is going to be disadvantaged at whatever weight this fight takes place at, thus rendering the whole concept of the catchweight void.
     
  5. onepunch.net

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    i actually have to disagree with you on this. For example, I have a show coming up on the 25th, and there are fights at 132, 145, 152, 170, and a few others. As long as a title is not on the line, then I do agree that the parties just work it out for themselves. For example, the fight at 132 is nothing major, just an opening 4 rounder. whats the point of making the fight at 130 or 135? I have no issue with them making it at 132 to have a better grasp of where their opponent will be, as well as my guy not having to strain himself to make 130 for a fight that doesnt matter.

    I'm curious though as to why you think ALL catchweight fights are bad?
     
  6. Kurdapyo

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    I won't dignify this comment because I don't want to go down your level. You called me a *******
    for losing an argument? :lol:
     
  7. ApatheticLeader

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    Apart from the reasons I've already stated, there are far too many established weight divisions as it is. To endorse catchweights at the same time is plain hypocritical.
     
  8. tolindoy

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    If a title was placed on the line before on a catchweight fight, then this fight could as well be...
     
  9. onepunch.net

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    no, you lost the argument because common sense and logic seem to escape you. Being a ******* is just a bonus.........
     
  10. onepunch.net

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    the title WILL be on the line. The WBO already said that. Thats why its ****ed up.
     
  11. Kurdapyo

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    On the other hand, if Pac agrees to 147, Cotto will have an undue advantage. Pac is not asking him to go down at 140, he is asking to go down at 145 which is actually more advantageous to Cotto than Pac.
     
  12. ApatheticLeader

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    Yes, Cotto would have a massive advantage if the fight were at 147 (as it should be), hence my vehemence that the fight shouldn't be happening at all.
    As it stands, the fight is still in Cotto's favour, but it still punishes Cotto somewhat, which is wrong. Having a situation where neither fighter is entirely comfortable - what the hell's the point in that?
     
  13. onepunch.net

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    I have to respectfully disagree. Its important during the developmental stage of a fighter for them to "find" the division they best fit in. This is sometimes accomplished by trying out different weights, and seeing what works best. Should my guy be 130 lb, or 135 instead? I have no problem with him trying out 132 for a fight, then maybe 134, and see how he feels. Maybe he decides to go back to 130. Ultimately, he will have to settle in somewhere as he moves up the food chain in the rankings. I just dont think he needs to make that decision in his pro debut.
     
  14. Kurdapyo

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    What common sense and logic are you talking about. I based my argument on that document you posted which proved your ignorance of the rules. I am consistent but you're unsure of what you posted by saying "I could be wrong." Let's debate on the basis on issues not on personal insults which losers do.
     
  15. ApatheticLeader

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    I hate to say it, but you have a point there. It's the first time I've had to make a backwards step this discussion :-(