Pernell Whittaker - How do you beat him.

Marquez would win about 4 or 5 fifteen second stretches throughout the fight.

 

Ortiz would have a chance. A GOOD chance.

 

Of course i've always said Roberto Duran and Whittaker are in my opinion the two best fighters in head to head terms (regardless of a styles match-up) at the weight. The only other lightweight i've ever tipped for a win over Pernell Whittaker is Carlos Ortiz, and i'm very glad the great poster that is Manassa mentioned him also.

Ortiz is stylistically complete, multi-dimensional, but that alone never qualifies one to even be considered for a win over Pernell Whitaker. It depends how adept Ortiz is in these various areas of the game, and for me he's one of the best. He can stay on the outside, he can step in and potshot with a one two or a right hand to perfection, why that is a plus here is because it means he doesn't put himself in excessive danger of being countered. Whitaker is possibly even more skilled than Ortiz on the outside, but Ortiz can maintain distance and that might be important here. The fight will without doubt be taken to the trenches, both men enjoy setting up office there, and whoever is not getting the better of the boxing 'chess-match' will likely initiate combat in these quarters. As great as Pernell Whitaker's inside game is (and in an overall sense), i don't mean this disrespectful, as i clearly rate Pernell as possibly the best fighter ever, but what's he going to do, outfight Carlos Ortiz? Pernell would be wiser to try and win the chess-match and keep it there in my opinion.

The Duran-Whitaker proposition is still the hardest to split for me though. I don't think Whitaker has to stay on the outside as much as everyone else thinks, when Duran gets close, he can flurry-counter and slide off, turning his man is more essential here than keeping the focus on maintaing distance here. If anyone knows Duran, they know that his traditionally used method of cutting off the ring is not in the conventional sense. His most trusted method is simply via maybe the greatest straight right hand launched from distance of all time. Once that punch lands, what follows is something i can only imagine would be not too dissimilar to a whirlwind (with bricks flying around it). And that's why i feel backing up is not an option, but turning him is, though a ridiculously difficult ideal t bring to fruition, Pernell may have the ability. Him if anyone i'd think. One thing i'm almost shocked that noone has mentioned is one of the most basic of all tools that any young fighter is taught to use against a southpaw stylist- that already mentioned right hand, copule it with Duran's defensive capabilities to slip a jab and we have more of a contest than some (and to my disbelief) assume.

I sit on the fence, two of the finest skillsets my eyes have had the privelege of glaring upon.

 

I don't personally think anyone could!! If I had to put money on someone it would be Ortiz...but not with any real confidence.

A name that hasn't been mentioned is DLH. Although he struggled against a past prime Pea, that fight was his 1st above 140. He was huge at 135...call me crazy but I'd give him a chance!!!

 

Is this offer still open?

(haha, kidding)

 

Don't worry I know how silly it sounds - and I'm not a great Oscar fan!! But when I play the fight out in my head it's always a tough night for Pea!!!

 

Probably might be, Oscar was explosive at 135, but i just think that explosiveness won't get the job done against him. But it's a call worth considering.

 

C'mon now. Get yourself involved more, Manassa.

 

Well yeah, i asked him to post on my Whitaker thread ages ago. But there's **** all left to say now!
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My back's against the wall isn't it Robbi and you know it. Great avatar!

 

A quick note on Duran-Whitaker. What version of Duran would you choose with the best chance of beating Whitaker. The early 70's version who was firece and consistently came forward or the late 70's one at lightweight who was a bit more reserved and better defensively?

 

Maybe the right answer is the one who beat Buchanan, but i like the one from the rear end of the lightweight campaign for some reason. I think that right hand is more honed there. But maybe the earlier one was simply a force of nature and should be favoured, not so sure though against Whitaker.

I know it wasn't addressed to me sorry.

 

Terrible tim style,With-a-spoon...

 

He prefers to put in the effort of being a sensitive moron who's disliked by many.

 

Ortiz could do it if anybody could..using that "come to me style" that's been mentioned.