Pernell Whittaker - How do you beat him.

Haha, looks like you get a hangup about him from the outside though man!

Sorry it looks that way though.

 

On a serious note Sweet Pea please answer this question.

How do you think Pernell would go against


A Prime Sid Razak at Lightweight.

 

Nah we have had nothing but arguments. About every subject on boxing i think. Well most of my biggest ones have been with Sweet Pea.

And i live for it. :yep But i wish he would grow some balls and enter the tipping comps.

 

funny ****. he even once agreed that pac wouldnt last 5 rounds with hatton. :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

damn classic posters.

 

he really rates Pac though.

 

I think people respect him because he is well versed in all areas of the sport. He doesn't dickride a fighter simply because of his nationality, or because he grew up watching the fighter when he was at his most impressionable.

It's true, we are all arm chair experts, but some have seen more from their arm chairs than others. Unlike most in the general forum, or those from the general forum that poke their heads in here for an occasional post that pertains to their favourite, or simply to stir ****, those in the classic forum try and go beyond their biases and form well rounded perspectives on the sport as a whole. For that, they are commendable posters.

As for predicting the outcomes of fights, that's always going to be very speculative and I'm sure even the most knowledgable boxing pundits get things wrong. On the flipside, I'm sure even the biggest moron can get a prediction right here and there.

 

very good post:good

 

Sweet Pea has earned his respect here.

BoppaZoo suffers from acute feelings of envy.

 

respect, maybe... but for a "maybe" respectable poster who once agreed that pac wouldnt last 5 rounds with hatton is.......

i'd rather be a simple poster than being recognized an expert but dumb in analysis and predictions... :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Harrison?

 

yeah that's ONE prediction mate............nobhead

 

Mr Sobchak, How many have you had tonight?

 

Thats right. Gotta earn it. Never gonna earn it acting like a moron huh. Nice avatar. Seen it before. :good

 

You suffer from the same problem as BoppaZoo.

 

I'm assuming this is over the championship distance, rather than 12 rounds.

At his best, Duran was not somebody whose responses could be predicted and timed. He would have immediately set out to determine how Whitaker reacted defensively to a varietly of convincing feints. Hooks to the body (such as the one he brought world class welterweight contender Monroe Brooks down for the count with) are an obvious tactic to use on an elusive southpaw. Duran developed much of his inside attack in childhood streetfights, not in a boxing ring (this was greatly in evidence when he savaged young Davey Moore).

During their controversial draw, Whitaker was able to stun Chavez a few times, and outperform him on the inside. JCC also evidenced some signs of fatigue when they squared off. Peak Duran was indefatigible, and may have been the greatest infighter who ever lived. When overweight and way past his prime, even a peak Hagler and Barkley failed to crush him with sheer physicality.

Considering Duran's body attack and 15 round pedigree, we have no way of knowing how Whitaker might have performed down the stretch. In Montreal, Roberto knew that he had the scoring clinched after the first ten rounds, so he let up a bit over the final 15 minutes of action, allowing SRL to make up some of his insurmountable lead.

Palomino and SRL were tough and powerful hall of fame welterweights in their 20s, yet Duran dominated each on points over the first ten rounds he shared the ring with them. This discussion has to do with the peaking lightweight Duran, somebody likely far too strong for Whitaker to match physically.

Should Whitaker be competitive enough for the judging to be in doubt after 12 rounds, could he have the legs and energy to outbox and outmaneuver as necessary to secure a time limit judgment in his favor, or does Roberto's body attack and grueling pressure slow him down too much to produce an eye catching finish?

Whitaker was dropped from time to time, and I expect that Duran would send him to the floor at some point.


Even during his peak, many automatically assumed that continual movement and elusiveness was the way to beat Arguello (something widely believed about Louis as well). To actually succeed in doing this over 15 rounds is another matter though. Vilomar Fernandez upset Arguello over 10 rounds the first time they met, but it was a narrow decision. The argument can be made that Arguello was better over his first ten rounds with Fernandez than either Duran, Hilmer Kenty or Howard Davis, Jr. Vilomar was never able to evade like that over 15 rounds.

Handling lefties was something of a specialty for Arguello. Tam, Navarrete, Limon, Boza Edwards, Busceme, Watt and Ganigan were all taken care of in decisive fashion. Arguello could jab effectively against the southpaw stance, as well as shooting in straight rights and hooks to the body. He would have a tremendous reach advantage here.

Ramirez was able to drop him in losing a close decision, an outcome Alexis was hoping to avenge, and likely would have if Mancini had not shut Ramirez out.

Of course Whitaker is far superior to any southpaw Arguello matched. But the fact of him being a southpaw in and of itself would not provide any special advantage against this particular adversary. He'd open up an early lead, but he'd be dealing with a very patient chessmaster.


The Bernard Hopkins we have seen is essentially the same X that would have been in play during the 15 round era. I believe that Whitaker was a major beneficiary of the shorter limit, and that a change in his approach would have been necessary if he was to allow for the championship distance. Bodypunching has a far greater accumulative effect over 15 rounds than 12, so he had to contend far less with bodypunching than he would have had to deal with in 15 round matches. (This is the primary reason why I rate Locche, Benitez and Pep over Whitaker in defensive skill.) Pernell was a decision oriented boxer who was able to maintain a faster pace while primarily defending his head. Arguello frequently aimed for the sternum though, and Busceme said Alexis was quicker than he expected.