Super Scott, Great Scott ... James Scott

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  1. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anyone else out there remember the Rahway, N.J., prison inmate who was basically the uncrowned light heavyweight champ of the world in the late 1970s?

    Beat Eddie Gregory and Yaqui Lopez, among others -- both were No. 1 contenders at the time. NBC basically bankrolled him so the purses were enough to get top-flight fighters to fight him in the prison. WBA and WBC ruled that he couldn't get a mandatory unless arrangements could be made to allow him to fight outside the prison (which wasn't going to happen) because they couldn't force the champ to go there.

    Very aggressive, very exciting guy. Came to and end for him in 1980-81 when Jerry "The Bull" Martin and Dwight Muhammad Quawi both beat him by decision.

    Always one of my faves to watch. As far as I know there has never been any other situation like this for an active, ranked contender.
     
  2. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It was a very unique situation, very controversial in fact.

    He really impressed me with his win over Lopez. He reminded me almost of a light-heavyweight Duran.

    There always was that persistent question of whether or not he could/should get a title shot (probably a rematch with Gregory), and how it would happen. Those questions became moot when Scott suffered his shocking upset loss to Bull Martin. He seemed like he never really recaptured his fire after that.
     
  3. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A good solid contender who probably had a great advantage fighting literally in his own house.
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember those fights well. Thought he was outstanding. Is he still in the joint???

    Scartissue
     
  5. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, James Scott was very good, and I watched him whenever a fight of his was televised. But one thing everyone must remember...the "Eddie Gregory" that Scott beat, and that lost to Victor Galindez, even, was a different fighter on those two occasions from the master-boxer/puncher who so artistcally dismantled and outclassed Marvin Johnson for the title a few years later. True, he never got that form back, though he came close to it in his ko title defense against Jerry The Bull Martin, he would have beaten ANY lightheavyweight on that night, Galindez and Scott included, and also I may add, Michael Spinks, who was fortunate to have fought a subpar version of "The Flame" when he lifted the title form Mustafa in '81.
     
  6. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    did qawi come out of the same prison boxing system
     
  7. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I remember James Scott. He was excellent.

    As I recall, the issue impeding Scott's chances for a title fight was whether or not the prison system would grant him a furlough so he could fight outside Rahway prison. If my memory serves me correctly, the WBA and WBC weren't willing to make Scott the mandatory challenger if that meant the reigning champion would be forced to fight him inside the prison.

    I vaguely remember the issue going to court, and the court ruling that Scott was not eligible for a furlough to fight for the championship. That pretty much killed his chances with the WBA and WBC.
     
  8. hhascup

    hhascup Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know James Scott pretty well. He helps out at Goss and Goss boxing Gym in Trenton.
     
  9. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes he did. I presume that program probably fell to budget cuts, but I don't know for sure.

    I assume Scott is still in prison. Haven't heard otherwise. He didn't get that scar on his chest because he was such a nice guy.

    Best I can recall, he rose to No. 2 in the rankings and stayed there for more than a year but could not rise to No. 1 because he wasn't eligible for a mandatory.

    And, yes, I believe there was an attempt through the courts to get him a furlough to fight Matthew Saad Muhammad in Atlantic City.

    As for Eddie Gregory, he was as undisciplined as he was gifted. He had a unification fight with Michael Spinks cancelled because he couldn't make weight. He had a one-fight peak because he wasn't dedicated to the craft.

    The 1970s light heavy division was remarkable to behold:

    Michael Spinks
    Matthew Saad Muhammad
    Eddie Mustafa Muhammad
    James Scott
    Yaqui Lopez
    Victor Galindez
    Marvin Johnson
    Mike Rossman
    Dwight Qawi (really came onto the scene about the time the above guys started to fade)

    Couple of others, but you get the picture.

    I figure Roy Jones in his prime beats about half those guys pretty easily, but no way he walks through that gauntlet undefeated.
     
  10. brando18b4h

    brando18b4h Active Member Full Member

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    I always watched James Scott's Fights when they where televised. I remember he was a physical conditioning freak. I was young at the time around 14 or 15 so I did not understand all the ramifications. I did believe he would become the next LH champ.
    Great post, as I always wondered what happened to him.
     
  11. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I disagree about Gregory. He was a classic underachiever.

    I always remember seeing and hearing how he was one fighter that rarely fought up to what many felt was his ability. He lost to Galindez because Victor outgutted him. He lost to Scott while in his physical prime for the same reason. He should have flattened Scott who was a very tough and well conditioned guy but not on Eddie's level but he froze like a deer in headlights and lost.

    He did get it together and beat Johnson and Martin , two fofhis best performances but like the headcase he was, be decided he was too good to stay light heavyweight so moved up to fight Snipes at heavyweight. Rather than train and fight well conditioned at heavyweight he entered the ring with a gut and basically did nothing as a terrified Snipes jabbed and ran as if he were fighting Joe Louis ... Gregory then rushes to drop weight back to light heavy to fight Spinks and loses a decision which be blamed on the weight. The joke was the weight drain did hurt him but Gregory made it like he fought his heart out when in reality he paced himself and coasted and lost. He never got a rematch because of poor conditoning and inconsistant performances ... Gergory was simply put a waste of talent ...

    Scott was a tough, well conditioned fighter. His shaved skull and prison persona spearheaded a short run on the networks who loved the story. In reality he was not championship quality for that killer era and lost to Bull Martin and Dwight Braxton and then drifted back into obsecurity ..Scott might have made ten defenses of the light heavyweight title if he fought during Virgil's days ..
     
  12. fists of fury

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    That era had some outstanding talent, and I agree with you about Jones.
     
  13. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is a very fair post.

    Just out of interest, what are your impressions of Victor Galindez? He's always fascinated me.
     
  14. red cobra

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    You're more or less agreeing with me on this. Mustafa was an underachiever all right, but what I'm saying is that if he was properly motivated in his career, he would have been so much better. He would have beaten both Scott and Spinks, as he was actually doing that until Spinks dropped him, then he just sorta lost interest in the affair. Watch his fight against Johnson when he won the title and you'll see a potentially great fighter at work. He had the potential and the ability.
     
  15. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    And I may add, he would have beaten Galindez too.