'Pretty Boy' FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. vs. MANNY 'Pacman' PACQUAIO @ 144

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  1. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    nope, while marquez does throw more, he isnt as accurate or have better timing then mayweather. therin lies the difference. thats not taking anything away from marquez he is one of the best cp in the game but mayweather is superior. the onyl got that you can compare mayweather to in counter punching is bernard hopkins.
     
  2. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    not really. its all about how you look at it. marquez is an agressive counter puncher, so there is no dispute in that. what you're arguing is that the fact mayweather throw less , pac will be more comfortable. well hes why you're wrong. the fact that marquez threw moree punches left him defesively vulnerable. this is why he suffered 4 kds in 2 bouts vs.pacquiao. without the kds, pac loses both fights, on the scorecards anyway. marquez engaed more with pac, thats fell into pacquaio's hand. pac wants exchanges. mayweather's more ecomonically countering approach, will cause very few exhcanges. this will fusturate pac nore because hes an offenisve figheter. he wants a fast pace match. a guy like mayweather will slow down the fight because he dosent throw a lot of punches. much like what hopkins does to alot of his opponets. if the pace of the fight slows down, then it clearly favors mayweather, as he is the better strategic fighter. what pacquiao has to do is force mayweather to fight his fight and outwork him. its easier to do that with a guy like marquez who is more willingly to take risks then a guy like mayweather.
     
  3. Sting

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    Disagree completely. History has shown that to beat Pac, you need to be good at counter-punching, but at the same time you need to have the workrate as a follow up in order to disrupt his offense, back Pac up where Pac is where most vulnerable and raise doubts in his mind to attack again. Morales employed this perfectly in their first fight. He would let Pac lead, then he would counter but he wouldn't stop there as he would usually follow up with a barrage of punches and back Pac up. He knew that Pac could not fight well going backwards. Marquez also did the same thing and(depending on who you talk to) either beat him or came close to beating him.

    As such slowing the pace down can be disadvantageous to Floyd. Floyd will be giving Pac more room and be more focused to attack because of the simple fact that he's getting hit less compared to when he was fighting JMM and EM. Floyd's gonna frustrate him? Not really. First of all, its not like Floyd is completely unhittable. He's been hit by lesser and far slower fighters than Pac before. DLH got a fair amount of his shots in and even Hatton managed to get some of his own into Floyd's defense. In Pac, he's facing someone whose as fast as him, if not faster for the 1st time. Second, I strongly doubt a guy like Pac whose been through countless wars would be discouraged or frustrated simply because of the slow pace and because he couldn't hit Floyd as much as he wanted to. You have to get shots in as much as possible to even come close to frustrating someone who has never been frustrated and gives his all no matter the situation(i.e Morales I and Marquez I and II).
     
  4. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    how do you know mayweather cant back paquiao up? what you need to understand is that mayweather is the bigger man. so he definately can hold is ground and while mayweather is not unhittable, he diffcult to hit cleanly. pacquiao has yet to face a guy with a great defense as mayweather. as for tha pace, you already know mayweather will want to fight in the center of the ring. the few punches that get throwm favors the more methodical, accurate puncher which is mayweather. the more agressive combination puncher, which is pac, would want a quicker paced fight. pac cant out box mayweather, he has to overwhelm him. it takes quick paced fight for that to happen. he has to take him out of his comfort zone, which is sit in the middle of the ring and find opening. and you're wrong again about mayweather fighting someone as fast as him because judah had more handspeed then mayweather. he struggled the first couple rds but he was able to adjust. and pac will me more agressive then judah, mayweather will find the openings. mayweather, while hes cautious, will take advantage of the openings, and he will throw combinations. he rsulted to potshotting after moving up in wieght fighting bigger men, but against a smaller fighter, he wont be that cautious. all you have to do is look at mayweather at 130 and 135. and the last thing you failed to look at is mayweatehr's power. pac has never been tagged at 140 and up. dlh nor hatton landed anything significant. mayweather, while not a big puncher, has enough power to trouble pacquiao.he punches harder then morales and marquez. so dont think mayweather's conservative offensive approach is a hinderance. mayweather is a complete fighter, offensively and defensively. pac will have alot to overcome if and when they meet.
     
  5. warrior85

    warrior85 R.I.P THUNDER Full Member

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    mayweather ud,late ko if he opens up on pac
     
  6. Beatle

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    There is no way Pacman goes the distance with Floyd. PBF is too skillful. Also, Floyd knows who can beat him, and so he won't fight the guys who he knows he might lose to. If Floyd takes a fight, you can be 100% certain he's going to win. He retired to avoid fighting top contender Antonio Margarito. Now that Margo has been banned, Floyd is back to pick on the guys he knows he can easily destroy.
     
  7. brownshell

    brownshell Active Member Full Member

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    Floyd nics and picks Pac crazy and KO's him @any weight!
     
  8. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Excellent post! Pac can't win a boxing match with PBF and PBF will make Pac fight his fight.
     
  9. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    cant write of paquiao as he is an offensive tornado. he has a legit chance at an upset but alot of people are picking pac because they want to follow their heart. pac greatest opponets are mab, morales, marquez, hatton and dlh. thats great competition but none of these guys are elusive. none of them had the style to throw off pacquiao's offense. they were all hittable targets. mayweather is the exact opposite. he not impossibe to tag, but can paquiao land enough on mayweather and at that same time deal with mayweather counter abilities at the same time?
     
  10. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    By picking Floyd some Pac Tards see it as hating on Pac.

    :nut
     
  11. ricardoparker93

    ricardoparker93 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pac out hustles out bustles mayweather by driving him to the ropes, making him miss make him pay. Pac UD
     
  12. evalistinho

    evalistinho Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chicano Accent: Pacquiao cus hes not gonna quit like De La Hoya!!
     
  13. FrochPascal

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    no, i dont think so.
     
  14. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    this is my thinking right now..pacman will unload hes crazy combinations (and maybe not landing big clean punches) the crowd will go bananas and does enough to win rounds for a decision
     
  15. Atritionist

    Atritionist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Floyd wins UD, by counter punching, better defense, and avoiding a brawl.