'Pretty Boy' FLOYD MAYWEATHER JR. vs. MANNY 'Pacman' PACQUAIO @ 144

Pac

 

@144?

I hate these ridiculous ****ing catchweights. 144, 145. Just pick a ****ing weightclass and get on with it.

"I won't fight unless he weighs in at 144 & 3/8ths". It's ****ing ridiculous.

 

I've been watching Floyd ever since his 130lb days buddy. The three fights you suggested only proved my point. It seems you need to watch the Judah fight again, even after Floyd figured Zab out(or Zab mentally folded) he was never the one who did the pressuring. Zab was the one who kept on coming forward. Floyd was the one moving and backpedalling and fighting off the backfoot. Only against Corley and Mitchell was he aggressive, but Corley was never a pressure fighter/brawler, he was a slick boxer like Floyd, so Floyd had no problems pressuring him. So basically you only have Mitchell(and Gatti at 140lbs). That's it. Which again just supports what I'm saying: Mayweather's agressiveness in the higher weights has gone down significantly. He rarely employs that style anymore even against defensively liable and smaller fighters(Hatton) and defensively liable and slow ass mollasses fighters(Baldomir).

And yes, Pac's in and out movement can cause him to be off-balanced and backed up. But again that's why throwing numerous punches is important. You need to throw more than 1-2 punches to back Pac up and make him cautious even with his in-out style. That's why I gave you the Morales example. Morales never backed Pac up because of those counters, even with Pac's in-and out- style we never saw Morales back Pac up with 1 or 2 punches/counters. It was the follow-up barrage of punches that backed up Pac. Morales would counter Pac with 1 or 2 punches to disrupt his offense and then unleash punches to push back Pac. If Morales just countered Pac and did nothing after, he would just be delaying Manny. Pac would just start again right where he left and beat up EM. Don't underestimate Pac's toughness, mate.

That's why to me, Mayweather's lack of a respectable amount of punches will be his downfall. I mean can he do what EM did to Pac? Yes he can. But does he have the INCLINATION to do it? Based on his recent fights, I definitely don't think he has. Again this is all about styles, you can't expect Mayweather to be suddenly aggressive against someone like Pac when he hasn't been like that for years now. Not to mention pressuring a guy like Pac is easier said than done. And yes I don't think Mayweather is strong enough to push Pac with just 1 or 2 punches. He's no Julian Jackson mate. He'd defo stunned Pac but he'd need MORE than 1-2 punches to force Pac to fight off the backfoot and really make him tentative in attacking again.

But hey, if Mayweather proves me wrong and actually beats Pac without a respectable workrate, then I'll gladly eat my crow. Until then, I'm sticking to my current argument. Pac outworks and outlands Floyd, with the small chance of TKOing him in the late rounds.

 

such a great post. :good i am in the presence of an avid student of the sport.

 

:deal

 

you said, mayweather never pressured judah right. Now you want proof you're wrong?

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what do you call that?

notice the effective body punching. thats more then just 1-2 and stop. you see how you wrong you are about mayweather.
mayweather is not a pressure fighter, what part of that dont you get? but hes a well rounded fighter meaning, so that dosent mean he never pressures at all. it may not be frequent but you keep saying he NEVER does this. which again, you need to do your research. And with the counter punching, you think mayweather will only throw 2 punches and stop, especially if he stuns pacquaio. You dont know what you're talking about. watch the end of the 8th rd in hatton-mayweather.

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when mayweather pins hatton on the ropes, do you only see two counter punches thrown or do you see a solid combination? you need to watch the fights and stop making statments that can be disproved. mayweather can effecively back up pacquiao with combinations as he shown to do it before. he'll be using movement mostly because hes a boxer, but he'll pick and choose when to be agressive. you dont just come forward and start pressuing, like an idiot and get hit. even pacquiao doesnt do that since moving up. why do you think hatton was ko'd by both men? so there evidence is there, mayweather is too offesively balanced to only throw two punches and stop friend. you're the one doing the understimating.

 

looks like sting got stung by silver I love how some floyd haters have been watching Floyds fights for a long time and now know his style inside and out..

Floyd will box when he has too , be aggressive when he has too, and counter and punch when he has too. The problem with floyd's style is, nailing him down to using only one of them.

 

yeah thats the whole point. mayweather is anything but one dimensional. je is too well rounded. having said that, pac will give him a good fight and and has a legitamate chance of shocking maywether.

 

Zab Juddah, though he lost gave a good fight with PBF. Defenitely PAC can do better than what can Zab did.

I have high respects with PBF but I believe PAC can beat or KO PBF..

Oh btw, I'm rooting for the underdog of the pbf vs jmm..

 

Ok, fair enough. You got me. You showed me up. You owned me in that subject. Good on you. I’m not one to shy away or make excuses for my mistakes. My bad. It was my fault. So now you named 3 fights in which it showcased Mayweather’s aggressiveness. I even helped you in that regard by adding the Gatti fight into your list. So basically we have 4 fights in the higher weights in which Floyd showed his pressure skills. Cool. But you think you actually “disproved” my argument entirely just because of the Judah fight? No I don’t think so.

Floyd has a total of 8 fights in the higher weights(140 and 147). Of the 8 fights he had, he only showed his aggressiveness in 4. That’s 50%. Compared to his LW and SFW days, that is a significant decrease in his punch activity and aggressiveness. Which is what I was saying in my last post: Floyd’s workrate has decreased significantly in these higher weights. To add to this, 2 of those 4 fights were against slick boxers/counter-punchers(Judah and Corley), these are people who do not come forward much. So with Floyd’s superior skills he didn’t have trouble pressuring those guys. Basically we only have Gatti and Mitchell who are aggressive fighters like Pac which Floyd was aggressive against. Only those 2 fights.

Now, the thing is these 4 fights happened early his 140/147 career. In his last 3 fights, he DID NOT show the aggressiveness he did in the 4 fights above. And that’s my gripe in this. 2 of this last 3 fights, he was up against fighters who had MAJOR issues in their defenses(Hatton and Baldomir). Fighters who were MUCH easier to hit than Judah, Corley, and Mitchell. But instead of being aggressive with Hatton and Baldomir and bully them just like he did with Judah, Corley, Mitchell and Gatti, he instead opted to fight off the backfoot with those 2(along with Oscar). What does this tells me? It tells me that current Floyd is content with just waiting on his opponent to make their mistakes, and when they make that mistake only then would he start throwing punches.

To prevent you from missing my point. My whole point is this, current Floyd lacks the necessary firepower to really beat Pac. You said Floyd is not an aggressive fighter/pressure fighter. EXACTLY that’s my point and that why Pac can win this. I truly believe that to beat Pac you need counter-punching skills AND activity. Counter-punching and defense is not enough, especially that reflex-type of defense that Floyd is using. That kind defense can be beaten by great speed. And Pac has great speed.

Now. You proved me wrong in the first 2 videos above. This last video... not so much. You showed me 2 rounds of Hatton-Mayweather. For what? To show me that Mayweather threw more than 2 punches ONCE in the 8th round and ONCE when he was finishing Hatton in the 10th? That's hardly evidence. What about the rest of the fight?

You've put up videos of the Judah fight to prove me wrong about that fight. Now I'd like you to do the same to this fight and give me many instances where Mayweather was landing more than 2 punches at a time on Hatton. Don't worry I'll wait.

Because I'ma tell you right now, this time I won't be wrong. 90% of the time in that fight, Mayweather only threw 2 punches at most at a time... against a very open Hatton. I think either Merchant or Steward noted it as well.

I know what your saying bruh, I know that Mayweather has great defense and he has good offense. I never said he was one dimensional. I never even said he has to start pressuring all the time(read my post again). He's a very special fighter. This fight will be HELL for Pac regardless of what anyone of us think. Floyd is THAT good. I just think he lacks the necessary offense for me to confidently say that he beats Pac. IMO. Just because he's balanced doesn't mean he's suddenly the be all-end all of boxing.

 

To all the PBF fans, I am not putting Floyd down at all. So please don't get offended by what I say here. I'm not a hater. I respect Floyd a lot as a fighter. You'll never see me disrespect him and call him a cherrypicker and all that sort of thing. NEVER. I respect him and his abilities too much to resort to those kinds of things. I'm just putting up my opinion on this. You might get the wrong idea with this debate I'm having with Silver and say that I'm trying to force my opinion on you all or I'm not giving Floyd a chance at all. No way man, Floyd has a great chance of winning this. I would never count Floyd out, not by long shot. Nor am I forcing anything on anyone.

My argument is simply in defense of a Pac win. I see alot of people who laugh and think that it's a joke for Pac to beat Mayweather. That Mayweather would school him and Pac stands no chance. What I'm doing is simply putting up a reasonable argument for a Pac win. I'm just showing those people that Pac HAS a legit chance of winning. You don't have to agree with what I'm saying, but atleast recognize it.

 

A true boxing enthusiast do recognize that Pacquiao has a chance to beat Mayweather. The rest are just bandwagoners.

 

You need to keep watching buddy. Floyd pressured Zab behind a high Guard in the second half of that fight. Right hands and Body shots look like they hurt ZAb and his face was getting busted up. PBF looked like he was going to stop ZAb until that mini-riot.

If you need some youtube footage let me know.


Edit: My bad, I did not realize Silver already corrected Sting.

 

well its not about being a fan, personally, the guy who can give mayweather the most problems is mosley and paul williams. and mayweather has clearly made it his business not to fight mosley. because he knows mosley will give him problems. there is no reason why mayweather should be fighting marquez instead of mosley. now back to the topic. mayweather has had 8 fights at 140/147. now they are corley, bruseles, gatti, judah, baldo, dlh and hatton.
now against badlo, is obvious he couldnt hurt baldomir. if you remember, judah and forest, who can both hit, couldnt hurt him. on top of that hes a big welterwieght. hes now at 154. so mayweather did the hit and run. why would you try to bully someone you cant hurt and its clearly bigger then you. does that make sense to you. against dlh, it was more ir less the same. plus dlh didnt throw alot himself. he was mainly agressive when he had the smaller men up against the ropes. when they were in the middle of the ring, mayweather most of the time got off first. you take into account that mayweather was fighting at 154, you can see why he didnt let his hands go. the dlh was not great performance for mayweather. as for hatton, he didnt land a that may combinations, but that fight was alot more physical then most fights mayweather fights. it was up close. you for the most part had hatton walking in, getting tagged with a clean shot and getting in mayweather chest. mayweather knew the best way to catch hatton was when hatton was rushing in. and you remember what the kncokout punch was? it was hatton rushing in getting caught with a counter left hook. pacquiao damaged hatton by doing the same thing, except he landed a counter right hook. the short example in rd 8 was to show you when he did have him hurt, mayweather had no problem jumping on him. mayweather dosent have to constantly pressure pacquiao nor does he have to throw a bunch of combinations. what he has to do is land cleaner punches. thats why you see mayweather only throw a few counter punches at a time. he looks for precision. mayweather always has a high connect % in his fights. against pacquiao, he has to keep the fight in the middle of the ring and catch pac when he opnes up. you use your defense and create offense. thats what great counter puchers do. you dont need to be overly agressive. over agresion is why marquez was out on his ass 4 times. if he wasnt dropped 4 times, he would have beaten pacquiao twice. and you keep bringing up, the 1 or 2 punches but how do those 1 or 2 punches wont hurt pacquiao? mayweather might hurt pacquiao with the first clean punch he lands. pac has never tasted power at 140 and above. and hes been hurt by a single shot before. anybody can get hurt by a single shot especially when he lands flush which mayweather is good at. and if he hurts pacuiao, you better believe mayweather is gonna jump on him. just like with hatton. you look at mayweather only landing a few counter punches at a time but what you not realizing is that those punches add up. you dont need to land a bunch of punches to back a man up. when pac comes at mayweather and he gets tagged with say a clean overhand right, if landed hard and flush, he gonna back up and regroup. hatton came at mayweather more ferocious the even pac probably will and he was repeated hit with at least one clean punch, and eventually he got hurt and put out. pac can win if he can overwhelm mayweather and be able to take mayweather's counter shots. but thats big if. most likely, mayweather is going to land way too much counter shots when pac comes in. evetually it wil lead to pac getting knocked out. there a price you pay for being agressive. if mayweather is ever going to lose its going to be against someone who is just flat out bigger and stronger who can walk through his shots and bully him. a guy like mosley or williams. castillo gave mayweather hell and really beat him their first outing because he was able to bully him.

 

If pac could not deliver an early- to mid-TKO, Mayweather may have the chance of a decision. Pac is a volume puncher with high-calibre power, but PBF has the defense that could block pac's flurries, counterpunching all the way to an SD. Or maybe we maybe be seeing another pac-jmm in this fight.