Prime Tua vs. The Klitschkos

Tua doesn't have the blazing speed he would need with his size disadvantage to get inside Wlad. He is not a 6'4 soouthpaw like Sanders. No fighter under six feet not named Tyson has a chance against Wlad. He is one of the best at controlling range ever in boxing.

 

You make Tua sound like an usstoppable fighting machine. Are we talking about the same fighter who couldn't hurt Chris Byrd? The same Byrd who was beaten from pillar to post by Wlad twice?

Tua was great if someone would trade with him. Against a skilled boxer, he often looked as if he really didn't know what to do.

 

Wlad wins every single round as long as he is not foolish enough to get caught.

I would rather see him fight Vitali so we could see just how much punishment he could take.

You can't move him around the ring like you can Tyson, but as long as you keep good range behind a stiff jab then he can't do much.

Rahman and Byrd and Oquendo were out-boxing him, never mind Lewis.

 

Tua is extremely durable and he could go the distance (he is dangerous late as well), but after being jabbed to pieces for 8 rounds even Wlad might open up with the right a bit more, and there is only so much a man can take.

Including Tua.

 

Hypothetically that could happen, but Wlad is reluctant to open up against old, slow, weak punched fighters. Against Tua (especially Prime Tua), a guy who has a rep for keeping his power throughout 12 rounds... Wlad plays it safe.

 

What is a Prime Tua?

I forget.

When he fought Lewis he was hyped up to be the best contender out there, but when Lewis proceeded to give him a boxing lesson some in the boxing community did the usual:

"But that was not teh PRIME!!11 Tua."

 

how?

I think the old, slim tua that demolished ruiz in 1, wore down and stopped maskaev and went twelve of the most exciting rounds in heavyweight boxing with a then undefeated Ike Ibeabuchi (a fighter much ridiculed today for his out of the ring antics, who had the goods and then some back in the day), not to mention knocking out a then top undefeated contender Hasim Rahman. That was the real Prime Tua, not the fat ass Tua that fought Lennox Lewis and subsequently drained himself for the chris byrd fight to prove to the boxing world he was still serious about his contendership, only to gas after about 5 minutes.

when has Wladimir ever shown that he could deal with a fighter even remotely close to the truly Tysonesque Samoan that showed up to wear down and eventually wreck Rahman in spectacular fashion? PLEASE DO NOT MENTION SAMUEL PETER

I'm saying this, Wladimir has the perfect skill set and physical attributes to beat David Tua on any night, theres no question in that, but the real Prime Tua has the very same skill set to defeat the modern day Wladimir.

like I said, Vitali would be a tossup and a war.

I want everyone to envision a young, fit David Tua connecting with a flush left hook on the chin of any era of Wladimir Klitschko?

now envision the outcome?

what was it?:shock:

 

If Tua can't get into shape to fight for The Undisputed Heavyweight Title then there is something inherently faulty regarding his ability to get into shape.

I think it is too unrealistic to expect him to get into fighting shape against either Klitschko.

If you postulate an in-shape Tua then you have to match him against the absolute best versions of either Klitschko.

Those versions have never lost.

 

Tua ko's Wlad and Vitali. Neither fighter has the footspeed to win this fight. Neither has the balance either ffs . Lennox was able to get the win by galloping away from Tua. Neither Klitchko has the foot agility , balance , or speed to keep distance.

 

Vitali does not need great footwork as he can lean back and retreat in a straight line. He gets away with it against 6'4 heavyweights and he will get away with it against 5'9 Tua.

Wlad, as robotical as he may appear, has improved tremendously under Steward. He might not commit to taking Tua out (which would be wise) but he has more than enough ring wear-with-all to avoid one big left-hook.

 

the question is Prime Tua vs. The Klitschkos. The question of fitness shouldn't even be a point of contention because of the simple fact that the Prime Tua was always in shape, so I won't get into any further hypotheticals regarding weight.

and you're absolutely correct, those versions of in shape Klitschkos never lost, but lets get into Tua's resume. The only fight he lost during his true prime was against Ibeabuchi. Vitali would give him a fight similar to the Ibeabuchi fight once he realized Tua had a decent defense, good handspeed and two fisted punching power. I surmise this based on the idea that Vitali is a blood and guts sort of fighter once the situation arises where it is needed, and I can't CLEARLY see who would be the victor in that clash.

lastly, the best version of Wladimir who has ever shown up to a fight, and obviously never lost a fight, has never been in the ring with any fighter near the best version of David Tua in my opinion.

I mean, who? 37 year old, over the hill Hasim? Tony 'Timberrrrrr' Thompson? Sultan 'I suck' Ibragimov? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, i'm just trying to prove my point.

 

Right, I'll stop you there then.

See how ridiculous these match-ups are?

Invincible v Invincible.

Jazzo has to do the washing up now, but he will be back.

 

yes, they are ridiculous, absolute absurdity. we should feel blessed as beings who are in possession of reason, capable of surmising like this however.

because of the invincible v. invincible things, I never predict an outcome, I just say the likely outcomes.

I conceded that the seemingly unbeatable version of wlad could beat tua,

but can you concede the same for Tua being able to beat wlad?

 

You seem like a reasonable fellow (I assume most are ****-wits - saves time).

But yes, I would concede something along those lines. I think that if a hypothetical "Prime" Tua got through to Wlad at any point within a 12 round period, he would either score a clean KO or disorganize Wlad to the point of no return.

 

The Tua that fought Ibeabuchi would destroy both Klitschkos. The one that fought Lennox Lewis would lose to Vitali and still knockout Wlad.