Let's say pac beats cotto @ 145 and...

lets get ready to rummmmbleeee!!!!!!:happy

 

Again sticking with the original thread question. If I was using this same logic I would say that in the situation presented, Manny agreed on his own will that the fight would not be for a title, he doesn't get a title out of it and he didn't beat the man that people consider the true welterweight champ. I don't see how this is even debatable or how so many people picked yes. Manny would not be the champ in the scenario originally posed by the thread starter.

 

Why bother having any fights then? Lets just hand titles out to the guys that we think would win them if they actually fought each other. Even if you believe that the outcome would be the same, if you follow the lineage, Cotto was the champ, lost to Margarito, who lost to Mosley. That makes Mosley the champ.

There is no criteria for establishing championship under which you could make a case for calling Cotto the champion. He lost the lineage and won a vacant title (the least respected of the 4) that his promoter pretty much bought for him against a bull**** opponent.

As far as the proof being in Cotto's swollen face, that makes no sense. You get hit repededly and you swell up. Using your logic I would have to assume that Cotto himself is a cheater since his opponents often leave the ring looking disfigured.

 

if the belt wasn't on the line, i wouldnt consider him as champ, but considering he did beat one of the champs, he would get the same respect due to him. the belt was just for formality.

 

No

 

Well he would still have a win over the best welter in the world in mosely

 

since you base your 'opinions' on technicality that much, i ask you..

why is a 145 lbs catchweight should not be considered a title fight?.

 

So anyone really believe that by having this fight at 145 will stop Cotto from coming in on fight night at 158?

 

to me if he beats cotto at 145 he is the champ, and he should defend it like a real champ would against the best Mosely at 147

 

What do you mean "technically he is"? If the belt is not on the line then technically he is not. Some may consider him the champ in theory, but technically he wouldn't have won a belt.

As for myself, if the belt is on the line and he wins, then I'll consider him the champ. If the belt is not on the line, then I would consider him great, but not the WW champ. Since they are fighting at a catchweight, I do not personaly think the belt should be on the line, but that's for them to decide.

 

Regarding your last point, it is different. Cotto coming in at 146 was by choice; however, the limit was 147. He chose to come in a pound lighter. With the catchweight, he is required to come in at 145, when the WW rules allow you to come in up to 147. The rule for the weight class is ignored.

 

Cotto coming in at 145 is also Cotto's choice. He wants to fight Pac and is more than willing to do so.

Is there a rule that fighters agreeing to fight at a certain weight within the boundaries of the division is illegal?

 

basically it's his choice to concede for his smaller opponent the moment he signed the contract and he can actually choose not to be required to come down if he doesn't want to..

but since the contract is presumed reasonable and agreeable, cotto did..

 

Pac would have been a 7 division champion if they had taken this fight at 147. The 2 pound compromise is pointless in my opinion as I don't see how it helps Pac.

 

Upperhand in the negotiations?