Calzaghe retires at the right time

Not when Calzaghe and Jones are the crux of the discussion, and we're talking about one's propensity to supposedly avoid the other based on taking easier fights. Sorry, that **** just doesn't fly here.

 

Toney made sense due to the money. The fact that this is only real 'superfight' a peak Roy Jones Jr had is criminal.

Hopkins peaked late, as he came into the game at a later age, and deserved another shot at Jones.

Jones was a phenomenal talent who should have fought more live fighters. Do you not agree?

 

untouchable. you don't see many fighters beeing so active and throw so many punches every single round! very dominant in his fights

Joe is the king. i always enjoyed his fights :bbb

 

Meh, I'm bored now, and no one else is biting

You'll actually find that I'm probably one of the biggest Calzaghe fans on this forum

I think both fighters should have had their chance to test their skills against the best fighters possible. Joe was unfortunate that there weren't that many.

However - yeah, Roy should have fought some more live challengers - however, there weren't many that would be considered live really. Few comes close to beating him all time, let alone in his own era. So it's a bit moot either way. I mean - there is Dariusz although that never was going to happen, probably similar to how Joe/Ottke was never realistically going to happen.

 

Yep - exactly like that. Jones wouldn't have fought him because he could have fought lesser opponents for the same money.

That's not been the crux of the discussion. I'm very well aware Calzaghe most probably wouldnt have taken the fight - I'm also aware Roy wouldn't have offered one

 

Jones didnt fight him because Calzaghe was a ****ing NOBODY till 2005, Jones would have got ZERO credit for wiping the floor with him.

Comon JEFF SUPERMAN LACY was expected to destroy Joe that should tell u how **** JOes reputation was.


Risk mmmmm....taking Tarver??? Johnson....seems out of character. Griffin? Hill? no risk ROFL

 

i'm going to have to read the forum a bit more before posting :rofl:

hook line and sinker!

 

Calzaghe was the guy who Eubanks would go around telling everyone who would, or wouldn't listen that if they valued their career, stay the hell away from Calzaghe. He also said that to Jones himself.

Kelly "the girl" Pavlik was supposed to KO Hopkins... Was Hop's reputation that **** as well?

Who let the troll out of the basement anyway? We need a better lock.

 

Hahaha

To be fair - I've not posted properly in the general in a few months.

Even Cobbler seemed to have forgotten - I thought I was blown when he posted, thinking he'd surely remember...

Oh well - entertained me for a while...

 

Hmmm, Jones didn't get much in the way of plaudits when he fought Hopkins....who was a nobody at the time....now it's the jewel in his crown.

You're a bit thick, aren't you?

 

haha,

put it this way - I'll remember

 

Calzaghe blitzed the guy who is favourite to win this tournament in Mikkel Kessler, the fight wasn't even close after 4 rounds and you think he fears Dirrell, Ward, Froch? Those guys are lesser than Lacy to him.

He cleaned his division out, holding all title belts, only ever losing the IBF due to a stupid mandatory with Berrio he didn't want, He then beat a P4P Top 3 and recognised LHW Champ (who then blitzed the recognised MW champ in his next fight) before bowing out against a ring legend who was still ranked in the Top 5 at LHW by Ring.

He retired because he's nearly 37, he's made his money and he has nothing left to prove, not because he's scared of having to face someone like Ward - don't make me laugh.

 

Actually, Chris said this about Joe:


"Listen, Calzaghe is easy to hit with right hands. He's busy enough, fast handed southpaw but he's abit European, quite square and rigid, you know? He's far from unhittable, infact he's easy to hit with the right (hand). Just a basic, straight right hand lead he doesn't seem to see, but of course, you have to have abit of speed ...

"I also found him (Calzaghe) fairly easy to hit with body shots."


Joe's ESB idolization is a product of internet poster demographics. A bit of the "Marciano" thing most particularly.

Joe fought a non-peak CE and then no one as talented for a decade until the very end of his career (and then against past peak old men). It wasn't any accident.

If Merriam-Webster were in the biz of reviewing internet web sites (like ESB) full of self-proclaimed boxing scribes they would move Joe's pic to the right of the word "overrated" for universal clarity.

 

Calzaghe would be the overwhelming favorite to win this tournament, and everybody knows it.

Joe gets more unwarranted hate than any other fighter. Bar none.

 

You're likely speaking with your heart. He'd be 38 for the tournament and the smart money would be betting against him regularly if he was the overwhelming favorite. The odds would be too enticing to pass. Joe would be the oldest with the least capability to stop his opponent (as he has stopped no one decent or without controversy in his entire career). Also, Joe had a difficult time with Kessler the first time. And, everyone knows Joe has a tough time avoiding right hands from great athletes.

LOL. Come on you don't believe that. Joe gets an incredible amount of credit and worship for beating twenty two cans to start his career, struggling with a last minute past peak Eubank (in which Joe was holding on as the clock ran out in the 12th), struggling with Robin Reid, struggling with David Starie, getting a premature ref stoppage on a cut against Sheika (no rematch), struggling with Charles Brewer (rather than Echols and after Ottke had fought him first), getting rocked to his boots and hurt by Mitchell and then receiving a hometown ref quick hook with 15 seconds remaining in the 2nd after Mitchell (who had then been dropped by Joe) was hit again and stumbled, received an ugly decision and was dropped in the 4th by Salem, hit Lacy with a couple thousand undefended punches and still couldn't get a stoppage, struggled with Bika, struggled with Kessler (who to date hasn't yet put a stamp on his own career as anything more than a Joe Calzaghe/Steve Collins/Sven Ottke/Robin Reid level fighter), got dropped and looked like a second rate athlete with poor technique versus a 43-year old Bernard Hopkins in which only Joe's stamina saved the day, and got dropped again by a completely shot (KO'd and put to sleep by an OLD Antonio Tarver and an OLD Glen Johnson in prior fights) Roy Jones, Jr. who was touching 40 (and thank goodness for a the cut or who knows what might have occurred).

I've left off several other fights in which he was far less than impressive because the opponents just don't deserve any mention.

Joe regularly is rated to the sky on ESB polls. Many ESB clowns state he could have defeated great fighters in their prime though he never actually fought ANY.


Joe gets more hyperbolic credit than almost any other fighter. BAR NONE.

That said, Joe absolutely retired at the right time. He should build a shrine to Frank for guiding his career through calm waters. Good fighter, way overrated on ESB though.