Haye vs Klitscho off, Haye vs Valuev on?

Erm.....the reason he's gone with King (if he has) is OBVIOUSLY the contract, what else do you want him to blame :huh

King has made him a better offer, that much is obvious, you're speculating that the brothers would treat him better when Hayes actions suggest otherwise. Neither of us knows the truth but you want to go down the road of Haye being scared of the brothers, that's fine...I disagree though.

 

exactly. in haye they'd have the biggest heavyweight name other than them...they would have no reason to **** him other because they are his client. I seriously doubt they hate him so much as to flush a viable career and huge fights as his promoter out of spite

 

Don King continues to find ways to be relevant in boxing.

The man will never truly go away.

 

What you are forgetting is that Haye is also a promoter....as I've said maybe he's done a deal with King for a 50-50 promotion in future fights whereas the Klitschkos wanted to solely promote him. Makes sense to me but at this stage we're BOTH speculating.

 

Even if Haye had to fight Vitaly and Wladimir twice, it's not that bad. This means there are 4 x payday!!
The only condition for 4x payday is to win, but I think that Haye doubt this.

A hard defeat by VK and he's finished. Now he can earn some money against Valuev.

I doubt that Klitschko vs Haye will happen. Haye will duck everytime till the Klitschkos retire.

 

King has been frozen out in recent years yes, but that doesn't mean he's given up, he's not that kind of guy.

The last big DK event I remember was the bill where Rahman fought Ruiz and Hopkins fought Joppy (I think) and there were a couple of other title fights on the bill that night too. I'm no Don King fan but there were 4 major fights on that bill, one of the best nights boxing of the last few years, even though Rahman/Ruiz stank.

 

oh yeah, braithwaite was on that bill as well. i enjoyed the hopkins fight but the card stank. that's going back 5 or 6 years though. he's at the end of the line and i can't see him looking at a long term investment in haye

 

King and Arum are knocking on 80 for Christ sake, they gotta drop off sooner or later.......... However, when Don King goes I do NOT see Carl King as being heavy enough for the job.......... Carl King is a ***** compared to big "D" and Bob Arum............
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SR.BILL

 

What
the
****

 

Haye brings nothing to the heavyweight division, except disappointment. **** this guy.

 

Noone can accept a contract with 3 or 4 rematches against two differnt fighters.

I was pissed at haye for pulling out of the WLad match, but cant blame him here. He can't just give his career to these two guys for the privelege of fighting one of them.

 

You don't know exactly what the contract said. We only have Haye's and Klitschko's words, and out of those I'd be more inclined to believe Klitschko than some fraud who's yet to show anything in the division. I've never heard of any fighter having problems making fights with the Klitschkos. But suddenly Haye is supposedly getting the worst deal ever. I call bull****.

You know, at first I thought Haye was just delusional, but I really believed that his confidence was genuine and that he really wanted to fight the best. Now it's obvious that he's just a douchebag who likes to waste everyone's time. Haye nuthuggers and Klit haters can't say **** at this point. At least the Klitschkos fight.

I'm really pissed off that it won't be a Klitschko who destroys him in the ring.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if this yellow-belly chickens out of a fight with Valuev.

 

I've had the urge to write an article about David Haye for quite some time though I've resisted for no other reason than I thought it pointless. After reading boxing news today and learning that the fight with Vitali may be off I've decided to speak out.

Being a huge fan and supporter of David Haye used to be easy but lately I find myself feeling more disappointed in the fighter than anything else. When he was fighting at Cruiserweight he fought at a much more frequent pace and took on any opponent that was put in front of him. He not only won but won in tremendous fashion. At this point and up to the Enzo Macarinelli fight David had huge momentum and when he announced his plans to move up to heavyweight during a post fight interview I looked forward to seeing Haye knock out many of the top heavyweights currently in the division.

That was then however and well...these days the only thing people talk about when they talk David Haye is how he's overrated and to some limited degree I can't argue much with David's detractors. Not because I believe him to be a hype job but because of the huge gaps of time in between his fights. I find it incredibly difficult to defend a fighter who fights as rarely as Haye does and it makes me wonder what's really going on behind the scenes. I've been following boxing since I was a teenager in the mid eighties so I'm familiar with boxing politics and how they can keep a fighter from fighting but in the Hayemakers case I'm having an extremely difficult time understanding why he has fought so little since entering the Heavyweight division.

I don't buy the "fear" or "he knows he'll get knocked out" arguments as he's a far more durable and courageous fighter than many people online like to give him credit for. What I'm starting to believe however is that Haye has no interest in fighting anyone that isn't wearing a championship belt and I think that is total folly on Haye's part. I realize that every boxer wants to get paid and get paid well however for whatever reason, at least from this fans perspective, Haye seems to believe that only the Klitschko's are viable fights for him or are the only fights that will make him money. Again I don't understand this approach. Fighting and fighting often gets you recognition, something Haye seems to want yet remains allusive to him, especially here in the States. One would think that after one failed attempt and another apparent failure on the horizon to secure a title bout with a Klitschko by being outspoken that Haye would start looking for an avaliable top ten contender to fight.

I guess what really irritates me about Haye as of late is the pattern that's developed ever since he announced his move to Heavyweight. It goes something like this...

Haye announces Heavyweight aspirations

The Haye camp goes silent for several months following the announcement

Haye resurfaces and announces opponent or says one is close to being signed.

Over the next few weeks we hear nothing more from the Haye camp.

After several weeks of silence and anticipation Haye makes an announcement stating his current opponent is asking for to much money, is afraid of being knocked out, etc, etc. He then announces that they are already seeking another opponent and have a few he and his team are actively pursuing.

A few more months pass before Haye resurfaces once more and announces that a fight has been made, gives the date, time, etc.

Haye fights his fight and during post fight interviews he talks about being the best in the division and once more about his aspirations for fighting the Klitschko's. Haye also says that his next fight won't be far off.

After a long silence following his last fight team Haye announces that they're working on a contract with "enter fighters name here" and that it won't be long before the fight is officially announced.

Go back to the first step and repeat entire process.

You see it's not just the Klitschko's Haye has had trouble landing fights with...it's everyone, which makes me wonder once more...what the hell is really going on?

For a man in his physical prime and a man who once had everyone curious, excited, and hopeful it seems at least as an outsider that Haye isn't and hasn't been making very smart choices for some time now. I have a hard time believing that an opponent is that hard to find, even one of high caliber, so again why such long gaps in between fights? Is there any greater way for David to kill any momentum and fan interest he might have had?

Haye fought Enzo on March 8 2008. The Barrett fight took place on November 15,2008, two fights separated by approximately 9 months. Now it would appear as Haye claimed that the extra time off was needed to allow his body to adjust to the weight and had the process I mentioned above not occurred repeatedly over the last year and a half I would be more inclined to believe the things Haye's team has said as of late.

Since he knocked Barrett out on November 15,2008 Haye hasn't fought. The Klitschko debacle was a real set back for the Hayemaker and while I'm not so sure we was indeed injured I think Wladimir's extreme contractual conditions played a part in the fight being called off, something I can't really blame Haye for wanting out of, though if he was indeed not injured I would have preferred to see Haye just not sign the contract to begin with. The real question for me though is this. Why is Haye wasting so much time chasing a man or men that are making such unusual contractual demands? Why isn't he fighting while he attempts to land a fight with a Klitschko? Haye is doing nothing but wasting time by remaining inactive. He's also letting his prime slip away from him. A fighters prime is a short period of time and Haye's foolishly throwing that time out the proverbial window.

9 months off between the Enzo fight and another 7 months passed before he pulled out of his fight with Wladimir. What gives Haye? I'm one who believes it doesnt matter what others think of you but when you're aiming to be the best at something and negative opinions, even from your supporters start rearing their ugly heads, it usually means you're doing something wrong on in your case, not doing anything at all. You should be using this time to "clean up the division" as you put it. You want to fight the Klitschko's fine, but if you're unable to land such a fight or you don't like the contracts they want you to sign do yourself and your fans a huge favor by going out and finding an alternative opponent. There are plenty of fighters be them good or bad in the division you claim to want to dominate yet you sit on your laurels and give the impression that you think you're too good to fight anyone but a Klitscko.

I will say this as a fan who's followed your career for several years now, I believe you have all the tools necessary to beat anyone in the Heavyweight division but what good are tools when they aren't being used? You can beg, plead, and negotiate with the Klitschko's all you want but at some point don't you have or want to pick up the pieces and just go and fight? Beat the hell out of all the soft contenders that are ranked higher than you and earn yourself a mandatory spot. In all honesty you'd be painted in a much more favorable light by fans and critics if you'd stay busy and beat guys they believe to be better than you. Doing so would also make it more difficult for the Klitschkos to make some of the demands they allegedly make.

At this rate David, you're accomplishing nothing you've stated you desired to have and created a fan backlash. Keep this up and your prime will have slipped away, both Klitschko's will have retired and there'll be nothing left, you'll be nothing more than a foot note in boxing. Its obvious you want the big payday and that the methods you've employed thus far aren't enabling you to land such a payday so go out and earn it. You should be fighting no less than 4 times a year. Popularity is earned through hard and consistent work in the world of boxing so put on the gloves and go kick some ass. Forget the Klitschko's for now and just start putting contenders on their backs.

2 fights in 1 1/2 years doesnt cut it Haye. Get to fighting or get out.

 

bottom line, forget the klit huggers, the haye lovers are going to watch him fighting under dk carefully choosen dk tomato cans/old fighters. so comes that is all about money for david, and where is this **** about saving the division? IN A GARBAGE CAN.

BE HONEST DAVID'S FANS, ASK YOURSELF, ARE YOU EXCITED ABOUT THE DIVISION NOW?