Rate these 90s/00s welterweights in terms of ability only

whitaker
mosely
mayweather jnr
de la hoya
trinidad
williams
quartey

 

At their best.....

Whitaker
Mayweather
Mosely
De la hoya
Trinidad
Quartey
Williams

Very hard tho, dont think Id argue confidently from top to bottom TBH.

 

In terms of potential he has stacks, he has already shut out Winky who clearly beat Mosley and can still make WW as of now. Thats why none of those WWs including FMJ, Cotto and Mosley want to go near him, albeit he isnt big money but hes a modern day Burley in that sense

Plus you did say ability only

 

Mosely beat DLH a close but undisputable 7-5 in their primes at this weight, the thread is h2h & ability. Mosely ranks higher than DLH who won their rematch (in any sane persons opinion) at 154, not 147.

 

I honestly think Mosley, De La Hoya, Trinidad and Quartey were all better welterweights than Floyd.

I rank Floyd higher p4p than any of them, but he is a great fighter - not a great welterweight.

Think of what those four guys would have done to Judah and Hatton.

Floyd was a better sfw than any of those guys were as welters, but at 147 I'd back them all to decision him.

 

This thread isn't about potential though. Obviously he has more potential than guys like Quartey and Whitaker... they are retired.

Is this a serious point??

A peak Winky at his best weight beat Mosley at a weight Mosley has never convinced at.

Williams beat a middleweight Winky in his mid-30s who was coming off a huge lay-off.

And the win over Winky was at 160 anyway - not relevant!

I said rate these welterweights in terms of ability - which you prove by fighting at welterweight. I did not say potential, I did not say fights at middleweight, and I did not say how many people are scared of him.

What an all-round dreadful answer to this thread.

 

I can definitely see your point, but it's difficult to stick too steadfastly to what happened in that one fight when you are considering a list, as Mosley never fought Trinidad or Whitaker or Quartey like Oscar did. If you have to have Oscar below Mosley because of that fight, but think Tito would beat Mosley and did more at ww, how can you put Tito above Mosley then, knowing that Oscar clearly beat Tito? Throw in the fact that Oscar did win the rematch in the opinion of most, and it muddies the waters even more, even though it was at 154.

 

If you want to play that game maybe Tommy Hearns wasn't a great Welterweight as his resume is pretty limited at the weight. Henry Armstrong has 13 featherweight fights, but hes still called a FW.

People make too much of an issue about what weighta fight takes place at, the fact is Williams can make 147 next week if need be. He beat Shamba Mitchell more convincingly than Mayweather. Beat Quintana more impresively than Cotto. He also beat Margarito who beat Cotto. Mosley/Mayweather/Cotto/Margarito all want nothing to do with him

I hate to break it to you but many fighters are considered greats at lower weights mainly based on excellent performances at higher weights.

Williams clearly has massive ability, actually he might well be the best WW of the lot due to his physical advantages. Although he may well fall flat on his face too when he faces a great or a real banger. If he's successful at higher weights its because of the ability he has today as a WW.

 

There is a brain hiding in there somewhere I see.

If you think Williams was a better fighter than those four, then the only reason that matters is his performances at welterweight. All that garbage about beating Winky, the potential he has, and how people are apparently scared of him (even though Margarito came close to beating him, Quintana did, and he brings zero cash to the table), all of this is irrelevant to this particular discussion.

However, these points:

These are relevant to the thread-subject. I don't agree, but thank you for your contribution.

 

The Forrest fight drops him. DLH never had a performance anywhere near that bad as a prime welter.

 

Move williams down to bottom and maybe swap tito and Q and am ok with it.

williams not done enough to justify that sort of ranking no matter what you think of him. if he can get big fights there and win might move up some but as of right now, on acheivment, he is bottom, can't rank him higher based on favourtism and pure speculation.

put it another way, you see any of the other guys on that list losing to quintana?

 

Exactly. He dropped two decisions to Forrest and those fights give me serious pause when thinking how he would go against Tito and Quartey.

The fact that he recently beat a Yory Boy Campas level Margarito has people overrating Shane a little I feel.

 

Sharmba Mitchell was shot and not a welterweight's ******* even at his best.

Williams might have beaten Quintana more impressively that Cotto, but he also got beaten by Quintana, which really, has me questioning whether I should put Ricardo Mayorga above Williams as a welterweight.

Williams has a good chin and good work rate, but his defense is sloppy as anything and I think plenty of welters would outpoint him. Obviously none as slow and ordinary as Yory Boy Margarito, but someone as sharp as Quartey would for sure. See what he does with Ernesto Espana for instance, who is probably a more fluid version of Paul Williams.

 

Delahoya-Mosley First fight razor close,2nd fight Oscar although at 154
Whittaker Think he was better at the lighther weights him and Floyd pretty damn close at this weight but Pernell achieved more,also Whittaker turned back the clock against Oscar and still lost, Oscar improved after his win over pernell.
Mayweather THink hes even with Whittaker as far as ability but has ducked many challenges Trinidad did alot more here but i cant see Tito beating Mayweathre
Trinidad- I think him and Quartey would be almost a pickem match
Williams-Quartey QUartey did alot more but im not sure how he would cope with Williams huge height and reach, yey i know Williams dont fight big all the time but this match is pretty iffy to me.

 

His name was Crisanto and hes become forgotten although he was excellent not quite as big as Williams but probably hit harder.