Ali as a composite puncher

Interesting post but a little tilted ...

Frazier was a tko because Frazier was blind
Quarry was a cut
Liston simply quit

That being said Ali had some power , more than given credit for ... strange how he KO's Bonavena but cannot really drop Patterson ... Stopped Lyle but never seriously hurt Norton in 39 rounds ... one of those things ..

 

How many times did we see Ali, after rounds of moving, jabbing, scoring but not scoring big, almost running a stalemate by just keeping his guy off, connect with that one shot that changed everything, a shot that stopped the action for a moment as his guy was stunned, jolted out of the lull he'd drifted into, and then Ali's two-handed fast as lightning follow up finish him while he was still under the ether?

 

The right hand he stunned Lyle with and the left hook he knocked Bonavena down with were probably the two best punches he ever threw.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AbL5M976pI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCHHev-5K3Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCHHev-5K3Q

 

Ali is an underrated puncher, ofcourse he's never been a brutal puncher though but his technique is just beautiful. You have to remember most of his shots were about punching while not getting punched and he punched on his tip toes, which drastically reduces his power. The Frazier 1 fight is a good example of his punching, he sat on his shots early and really tried to take Frazier out and hurt Joe. When he came off his top toes he could really stun his opponent as Dundee himself said.

 

Its a hook, just a short sharp compact hook

 

Here's the punch in slow motion as well as some craziness between Cosell, Ali, Bonavena and Frazier:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-j3H5FoDgM

Ali actually caught Frazier with a similar left hook in their first fight but it didn't seem to do the kind of damage to him as it did to Bonavena. Frazier was in great condition to take the punches he took.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFh6Ya_zsHw
3:00

 

Muhammad Ali was not an above average puncher for his weight, and he is certainly not underrated in that regard. Nobody says he couldn't hit, infact, most people say he was underrated - which means he clearly isn't.

And you can't say he had 'average' power then give him a 6.5 or 7/10 - that's not average! Neither can you show me a handful of examples where he caught his opponent in the right spot and tell me he was a solid puncher.

Next, people will be showing me the Cleveland Williams fight and telling me he was good at bodypunching because he jabbed the Cat's stomach a few times - wait, that's already been done.

Yes, Ali was capable of hurting his opponent, but then so should anyone heavyweight boxer. Some punch harder than others, but Ali was definitely one of the 'others.'

 

are u getting the new stone roses 20th anniversary boxset Manassa?

 

Didn't know there was one mate, but I doubt I'd buy it. I prefer the stuff that was released at the time, although some compilations can be good.

 

john leckie and ian brown have remastered it from original tapes. one unreleased track, "pearl *******" on the lost demos cd.

http://www.thestoneroses20.com/releases.php

 

Its not so much his power but his ability to land a clean pinpoint punch. This is my argument when I speak of JJWalcott and Charles, even though both were better pure punchers than Ali, Ali had speed and combo's but could also land a well timed punch ( important) In the case of Bonavena, Foreman, Ali's great conditioning came into play but I think his timing for Liston 1, and a combo of timing and conditioning for Frazier 2, Foreman and Bonavena...Quarry was stopped quick but Jerry kind of gave up going in ( mentally beaten) still there was some nice combo's and a few well timed pinpoint shots. being acurate enhances and and magnifies power

 

Ali is definitely a fine puncher. One puncher no, but he sure can hit when need be. Tho many many factors come into it on face value he has a better stoppage percentile than guys like Duran, Charles, Holmes, Ike Williams and numerous others. He also pretty much matches SRL. He's sure no feather fist like a Pep etc.