My Scorecard for Ali-Frazier II

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  1. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This fight was very close and could've been awarded to either fighter.

    Here are my results:

    Round 1: Ali 10-9
    Round 2: Ali 10-9
    Round 3: Ali 10-9
    Round 4: Frazier 10-9
    Round 5: Frazier 10-9
    Round 6: Ali 10-9
    Round 7: Frazier 10-9
    Round 8: Frazier 10-9
    Round 9: Ali 10-9
    Round 10: Frazier 10-9
    Round 11: Frazier 10-9
    Round 12: Ali 10-9

    The fight was a draw: 114-114

    Rounds 4 and 12 could be called even or could have gone for the other fighter.

    EDIT: If this were a Championship 15 Round fight, then Frazier would have taken a decision over Ali. If you look, Frazier was coming on strong and winning two rounds to Ali's one. If that pattern kept up, then he would have won.
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I had it for Ali. Didn't like Muhammad's holding, but he can't be blamed really.

    New York times had it for Frazier
     
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  3. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He did hold a lot in the fight. In my opinion neither fighter did more than the other to emerge victorious.
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think that's probably fair, though like I say, I had it for Ali.
     
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  5. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It could have (and did) easily gone to Ali. The same can be said for Frazier though.
     
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  6. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    7-5 Ali. I don't think there's a controversy about this decision. Close but a definite winner. The ref should have warned Ali, which could have led to a point or two being deducted. But as it is, he won.


    The NY Times score was likely carded by Dave "I think Joe on his best night beats Ali on his best night" Anderson. He had Joe winning Round 1 of the Foreman fight too. :yep
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It was indeed Anderson. Smith scored for Frazier too in the same paper.
     
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  8. My dinner with Conteh

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    You're knowledge of Red Smith mustn't be that great then. It wouldn't surprise me if he scored Terrell a UD winner over Ali too.
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I don't know anything about him, aside from that someone was calling him a redneck in another thread about the same sort of thing.
     
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  10. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Well, it's fair to say Ali wasn't his favourite person. :yep
     
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He's not my favourite person either, but it wouldn't turn me into an assassin...

    As an aside, was there some sort of editorial issue with Ali at the NYT? That's two writers scoring what was the fight of the century for them at ringside who are apparently out to get him...did the editor or the sports editor have it in for him too?

    Anyone?
     
    McGrain, Jul 25, 2009
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  12. PbP Bacon

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    You gave rounds 4 and 5 to Frazier? :pc
     
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  13. OBCboxer

    OBCboxer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yea. What's the problem? 4 was close but I felt Frazier edged it and he also took the 5th.
     
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  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't have a scorecard handy, but I always felt Frazier either won or at least got a draw. Ali threw more combinations, but I felt Frazier's punches were cleaner and more solid.
     
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  15. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    None that I know of. Anderson was really good actually, I like his work. Smith was probably even better but definitely had an agenda when it came to Ali, mostly stemming from the Vietnam War.
     
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