Tyson and Fraziers Styles: Where they really similar?

There's nothing really similar. Tyson would lose to Ali but would beat Foreman.

 

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Foreman knocks Tyson out of the park. No doubt. I have trouble understanding how anyone thinks otherwise with that one.

 

No they weren't. Frazier brought much more consistent pressure although there were some similarities.

Frazier chopping down Buster Mathis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kn9pAav-Rc

Tyson against the much taller Tony Tucker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mATjenYBSc

 

Tyson gets through his leaky defense and score often on the very hittable Foreman. Look what Lyle did; Tyson would finish him. I hate when people use emoticons like that but fail to give an analysis.

 

You shouldn't hate, it's bad for your heart.

Anyway, The Foreman fights post Ali I use the Ala Tyson-Douglas escuse. I feel Foreman wasn't there mentally and of course he changed his complete gameplan by pacing himself.

Tyson although the mid-range fighter he was needs to come AT George and that's a no no. He has to get close enough and has to launch at George. Frazier would get too close to Foreman and George had to push of for room... good thing for him Tyson doesn't like to suffocate his opponents. George bangs him out of there pretty quickly. I don't think Tyson can take the power. He would quit or get knocked down a few times and crumble.

Foreman KO inside round 5-6.

Cus said no swarmer/inside fighter beats Farmer. I think Tyson new this and purposely avoided him in the 80's. I'm not saying "ducked." George didn't warrant a title but he certainly avoided him.

 

McGrain's first post explains all that is needed to know here.

 

The thing is, Foreman always had leaky defense, was slow and offered little movement. He had these problems long before he fought Ali and Lyle. Tyson's chin was solid granite. Tyson also had comparable power and he would land on Foreman much more than Foreman would land on him. Tyson would land on Foreman's body and chin constantly and I don't think Foreman can take that for too long. He couldn't take that much from Lyle and was pushed to the brink. Tyson would push him further and score the knockout.

Tyson KO 5.

 

I really have trouble understanding this opinion on this subject. It's one of the few stances where I feel it's almost an easy decision to make.

Foreman has the power, a solid chin and the heart.

Tyson has offensive arsenal and speed but doesn't have the heart nor willpower to overcome George in my mind.

I'm talking the Foreman that sets up his opponents with the jab to throw bombs. Bad style matchup, just like Frazier vs Tyson but in this case it's even in Tyson's part knowing his mental susceptibility.

Frazier being "shot" or way past it is just pure crap. He lived the high life as a champ and was a tad overweight... okay, still confident and still in his 20's to boot!

I even go as far as thinking that Foreman of the late 80's has a great chance against Tyson.

EVEN Holyfield didn't go toe to toe with Foreman and did with Tyson with a bit of a tactical approach of doing so. Tyson would go toe to toe with Foreman and that's a mistake. Who COMES at Foreman and beats him? Nobody...

Foreman is underrated H2H I think.

Foreman speed is underrated. He's faster than many sluggers/punchers. Foreman's defense isn't his strong suite. It's his offense that's his defense. But he has range and power on Tyson and his foot speed/movement is incredibly underrated. Check out his floating/dancing in the Chuvalo fight.

Tyson all of a sudden has a granite chin but you pick Frazier against him? What gives?

Tyson's chin may be good but his mind is weak. Foreman has a terrific chin. Besides the Lyle fight, the only time he was down was due to exhaustion. Tyson's power isn't on Foreman's level. And if it is, then how does Frazier survive against Tyson on your analysis? He grows an iron chin or Tyson doesn't land much? Foreman hardly had to land on him to drop and hurt him 100 times.

Foreman wasn't the same post Ali. In dedication, in gameplan, and in training. Tyson's not going to his body because that would risk him getting taking out with bombs. Tyson doesn't go to the body that much either, he didn't seem to like fighting on the inside or going to an opponent's body. He was more of a head-hunter. He can try going to the body and Foreman chops him with a huge uppercut. That chin will feel if Bonecrusher's right in round 12 hurt Tyson and if Bruno with little short uppercut chops was hurting Tyson. Foreman will make Tyson feel it and Tyson will crumble.

Foreman KO 5.

 

I used to have this opinion too. But after studying both fighters even more, I see Tyson would beat him.

Tyson not only has comparable power, but a comparable chin and is much faster all around.

Heart? Willpower? Tyson has never won off of the deck. But his punch resistance is phenomonal.

Frazier-Tyson has nothing to do with this. Tyson would easily dodge Foreman pawing jab as his head movement was designed to.

Frazier was clearly not the same in any fight after the FOTC. You can see that in the Stander and Bugner fights.

Foreman of the 80's was even slower and got hit even more. Look what Alex Stewart did to him. Foolish statement.

I seem to remember Holyfield teeing off on Foreman's head with his best shots. Foreman only advantage over Tyson in this fight is his power; everything else he's at a disadvantage in.

That's your opinion.

 

You underrated Foreman's footwork and his jab. A decent jab, really? It's an ATG jab. On the level of a Liston and Holmes. Personally, his jab is an easy top 3 for me. That jabbed backed up Chuvalo in their fight to the ropes. And Foreman's speed when he wanted to was quite underrated. I think he could've been quick with it. He's certainly quicker than Liston in my honest opinion.

Here's the thing. Lots here pick Liston over Tyson

Now, Liston is the better boxer but Foreman against Tyson is a worse matchup for Tyson in my mind. Foreman has reach (Liston does too in fact more reach), height, more power, more speed, and quicker feet. Watch how he uses the angles and and bounces around against Chuvalo and even some against Frazier in 73. Foreman had light feet for such a huge man.

Foreman's heart is far more proven than Liston in my eyes. Mainly because of the Ali situation. Foreman also has a solid chin (Although Liston's is arguably better. So is his defense). But Tyson will go at him. Foreman's sunday punch is his uppercut. Most devastating punch for any fighter in terms of raw power. Foreman's power is great for fighters that are low. Foreman's power isn't as much when fighters are tall and stand up. Another factor that works for him.

Tyson has punch resilience but he doesn't have the fight to fight back when getting beat up or downed or losing. So his resilence is low but his ability to take punches is good. But this is Foreman. Once Tyson goes down he will be bewildered. Again and he will quit.

 

To me Tyson in his prime is somewhat of a sharpshooter. Now a sharpshooter would normally be a guy using straight shots, a lateral mover, looking for snapping blows. Vernon Forrest was a bit of a sharp shooter,a totally different body structure to Mike Tyson, relative to their respective weight divisions. Tyson imo is not spoken of enough as a counterpuncher, his defensive attributes meant he could take advantage of a slip or a god feint and capitalise with one of the most potent offensive arsenals ever seen in any ring. He had a two fisted attack, carried out via calculated moves, the precision both upstairs and down were of the highest quality, a quality unto his own. His footwork was special as well, he had that ability to close distance rapidly, again with that sharpsooter's eye giving his fighting brain the go ahead to do so and unleash the cream of that offensive arsenal that only he had the key to the locker of. He is also imo not mentioned enough as technically sound, as many talk of technique when discussing boxers rather than fighters. But why should Tyson not be mentioned as a boxer, hitting without being hit was his thing as well.

Frazier was a swarmer, a warrior who was heavily reliant on his left hook, maybe the finest and most devastating shot of all time. The right hand would come as part of a working over to the body mostly, Futch would have him do so to open up the head for the afforementioned money shot.

The only common ground i see in a stylistic sense is that both take on the aggressor role.