A Clear Cut Explanation On Why Floyd "DOES" Deserve The Lions Share Against Pacman...

lol Just because you think that what you are saying is true, doesn't make it true.

IMO it should be a 50/50, and like 90% of the people think so too.

 

when someone has another opinion then he's a floyd hater? Why make this thread in the first place, if you just want people to acknowledge your post???

 

heres the thing though, floyd is not a mainstream draw....hatton and oscar were the draws.....manny has a large fan base compared to floyd....if pac-floyd happens it should be 52-48 in favor of pac...just like the hatton fight, hatton was the draw, and the champ at the time....he did it because manny is the "man" at the moment not floyd.....everybody wants to fight manny....at most floyd should only get a 50-50 split....

i respect floyd and think he is an amazing talent.....but he couldnt even sell-out for baldomir, and that fight was for the lineal WW title.....I read your post, but under the current circumstances I dont see how floyd could say he deserves the most money....

 

That was not an objective post. Floyd left the sport and in almost everyone's eyes Pacquiao is THE man.

Pac is the one people pay to see fight. People pay to see Floyd KO'd.

Pac does not need Mayweather. There are plenty of people for him to fight in the WW and LWW division. Floyd needs Pacquiao more

 

well hatton was undefeated at the time he fought floyd, and wasnt against manny.....oscar is well, oscar de la hoya the all-time cash cow and largest ppv guy of all-time....

pac seems to have more crossover appeal to the mainstream....he is well-known in LA and tons of filipino people in america, along with the country of the phillipines behind him...then man is huge compared to floyd, on the business side of things....

i take nothing away from floyd's accomplishments....

 

Your points consist of:

- Using generic rubbish "He ain't his own boss talk" (that was very creative of you to pull that point straight from Floyd's mouth, bravo) that has no gauge on the situation. If Manny Pacquiao received 100% of his own split, he would still warrant 50% of the purse, he certainly wouldn't be accepting far less just because he is now "his own man" and not giving the other 27% to Arum (this figure could be TOTALLY incorrect for all we know, but i'll assume for now that it is correct).

Is that what you actually think? If Pacquiao wasn't giving Arum a cent, do you think he would accept something like 65/35? Not a chance in hell mate. The only barrier relevant to this point is Bob Arum and Floyd Mayweather's petty battle of ego's.

- You claim that Floyd Mayweather is doing Manny a big favour if this fight comes to be. Your grounds being "he doesn't have to come back to the ring". Thats very insightful, newsflash, Pacquiao could retire tomorrow, he isn't obligated in anyway to fight Floyd Mayweather, other than to repay the fans of boxing with the biggest, most highly demanded available matchup. He could easily fight Cotto, Mosley and JMM.

Both Manny and Floyd are obliged to fight each other by the fans, this applies to both of them, other than that they don't have to do ****. Floyd doesn't need to return to the ring, but he will, because he loves the spotlight and can clearly further his legacy, Manny Pacquaio doesn't need to either, but he will, because he knows his importance in boxing right now and strives to be the best (just like Floyd).

- Floyd is only half the puzzle, the other half is Manny Pacquiao, together its the perfect event/fight, and both guys are clearly at the top of the sport. It practically brands 50/50 on your forehead.

- "Pacman hasn't technically surpassed Floyd", well, i am not sure what you are referring to as technically, because this isn't a set matter. But the clear factor is Pacquiao has come up in weight far more rapidly than Floyd ever dreamed of and beaten Floyd's last two opponents in embarrasingly uncompetitive fashion. Whether a onesided beating of Oscar displaying a total stylistic advantage and winning every second of the fight against a lesser version is a better win or not, recently Manny Pacquiao is the one achieving everything and his position in the sport has risen amazingly fast.

Pacman - JMM is clearly a much more significant fight. Floyd vs Marg is essentially irrelevant and not much of a spectacle after Mosley bodied him.

Pacman vs Mosley/Cotto is on a similar level to Floyd vs Mosley/Cotto, perhaps slightly smaller, particularly in case of Floyd vs Mosley, as there is a lot of history between them in terms of their careers running parallel.

The fact is they are in such similar situations right now in terms of significance, with Manny rapidly on the rise over the last 12 months to become a global phenomenon and representative of the sport, and Floyd coming out of retirement in an attempt to regain his position after being out of the global media for a while; any attempt to claim that either man deserves more than the other is simply ludicrous.

 

First of all, let me say that you are not very good at putting together a puzzle, almost none of your pieces fit. Sure Floyd doesn't like Arum, but I am pretty sure most people don't like Floyd when it comes to negotiation either. You are here to make fights and make money, not here to make friends, so do what you have to in order for the fight to happen. Arum is taking money from Pac's share not Floyd, so as long as Floyd got his fair share, he shouldn't worry about what happens to his opponent's purse. Pac can give it all to Arum, to charity, for prostitutes, whatever he wants to do with his money has nothing to do with Floyd.

Pac have plenty of fights that can be made without Floyd, and of course Floyd vs. Pac would be the biggest but not just for any one of them, it is biggest for both. While I agree Floyd does not have to come back to the ring, actually nobody does if they choose not to but you can't argue there are tons of question marks regarding Floyd. He has been in welter for how long yet never fought the top fighters there as in Mosley, Cotto, Williams, and previously Margarito. It is true Floyd can pick up a quick check with the likes of Andre Berto, but it definitely wouldn't be a big one. The only time Floyd can sell tickets would be when people believe he have a decent chance in losing. People would watch in hope to see Floyd lose in a good fight, they are never there to see Floyd administer a one sided beating on his opponent although sometimes it end up happening anyway.

Floyd is in demand only depending on who he fights. People will always want to see the bests go at it, they are not there just to watch Floyd a nobody though. I will name 4 fights just as hot if not hotter than the 4 you named: Pac vs. Floyd, Pac vs. Cotto, Pac vs. Mosley, Pac vs. Margarito. These are 4 of the most highly demanded fights in the sport by far and its because of Manny Pacquioa. Pac is ahead of Floyd, he took the bigger challenges and done a better job of it. Move up in weight to fight Hatton vs. Hatton moving up in weight to fight Floyd. DLH is past it for both but Floyd made DLH look better than he should be.

 

Pac isn't following Floyd's footstep, he smeared it like it was crap under his shoes. Not only did Pac do a more convincing job, he does it while moving up greatly in weight to Hatton's most efficient weight rather than have Hatton move to Pac's most efficient weight like Floyd did. Pac has done many things Floyd never did, like fighting the legendary great mexican fighters. People used DLH and Hatton because it is a common denominator as well as the challenge of Pac moving up in weight, but they are not even close to as great of a fighter as the Morales, Marquez and Barrera. DLH was past it, Hatton is a never been.

There are tons of questions regarding Floyd. I will agree he would still be a Hall of Famer and he have some accomplishments and his career can be considered successful, but many will call him unproven if he wants to consider himself an ATG. While he has the possible ability of being one of the top ATG, he has never proven it against fighters who can cement his legacy. As you said that Pac would add to his legacy if he wins, THIS is a smaller man we are talking about that can immensely add to Floyd's LEGACY. If Floyd was truly so great then he would be stepping up in weight classes and fighting the best fighters like Pac is trying to do. For Pac, the only fights that can greatly improve his legacy are those in the higher weight classes, can you name some people who are in weight classes lower than him that can do it? This shows Pac is the p4p guy when no one in weight classes under him can be a serious threat while Floyd have a possible threat from Pac who is in a lower weight class. P4P!!!

Isn't there an offer of 50/50 mentioned? Pac has definitely showed interest, he even preferred to wait til after Floyd vs. Marquez fight before choosing his next opponent til Floyd postponed his fight date.

Well you got my end of the argument, which makes alot more sense to me. But if you want to disagree that is up to you, I just hope you are not being bias when coming up with your conclusion and instead tried to seek the truth.

 

Good post and well thought out.

But it's not objective. It's from Floyd's perspective and of course Floyd thinks he should get the bigger share.

The fair way would be to list out all the reasons why Pac deserves it. Then the reasons why Floyd deserves it. And then take the 2 sides and make a conclusion.

I say 50/50 is fair. Mayweather will end up getting 27% than Pac more anyway. (due to Arum talking 27% Pac will actually end up with a hell of a lot less than Floyd, which is fair enough as Floyd is his own promoter).

 

i'm a minority and i give floyd much more CREDIT for beating hatton and oscar then i do manny, we will see what the marquez-floyd numbers do.....vs the manny-cotto numbers....that will add more to this debate...