A Clear Cut Explanation On Why Floyd "DOES" Deserve The Lions Share Against Pacman...

doylexxx · Jul 27, 2009

maybe floyd should get it for excitment reasons lol

Little Pea · Jul 27, 2009

walk with me said: ↑

you ****ing people just dont understand it.....

its like trying to ****ing ask a girl out on a date and you want to have a particular date with the girl but her older over protective brother is doing a bunch of bull**** to keep the date from happening because he cares about the situation more than the sister does

you guys DONT GET IT!

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Haven't read the entire thread but i think the 2 last pages contain some valid answers to your first post. Most were polite and not bitching you and/or Mayweather.

Dont know why you act so frustrated. Yeah i know. You can't stand people not thinking like you. Fact is that when such a high % of people disagree with you, you should at least show some respect and investigate a bit further. Dont come back with the ****ing "you are just haters".

Its not even about thinking Pacquiao deserves more. Its just that nothing in you first post justify Mayweather getting more than Pacquiao.

Jackolythe · Jul 27, 2009

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see i dont even want to entertain you guys because as much as you claim your thinking about it you really arent....

its not ****ing geometry ... this **** is really simple

im not saying it should be 60-40 in gear for floyd...

but everything pretty much is in favor of floyd when you REALLY fairly think about it... the only thing that can change that is if pacman beats cotto
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When an overwhelming amount of people disagree with you, with logical points, then maybe it is you who does not 'get it'.

money21207 · Jul 27, 2009

walk with me said: ↑

you obviously you dont understand the concept of "need" very well.

Cotto needed margarito to get to oscar
Shane needed Cotto to get to floyd

I wouldn't expect you to understand or agree to this because your hate Floyd doesn't allow you to think clearly..... kind of like a girl on her period

yawn

another floyd hater.... who refuses to even acknowledge my most obvious points.

edit: word kona? so name a bigger fight?

pacman vs shane > floyd vs shane?
pacman vs cotto > floyd vs cotto?
pacman vs marg > floyd vs marg?
pacman vs jmm > floyd vs jmm? (maybe the only fighter that pac has the edge because of the history)

floyd's fights are still the biggest in boxing
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very good point but the hate for floyd will override all resonable statements the pac nuthuggeration on this site is ridiculous I wonder who they will go to if/when floyd beats pac because any knowledgeable fan of the sport knows that floyd is a bad matchup stylistically for pac and if he beats him all they will say pac was to small and overrated comin in to the fight the same thing they say about everybody floyd beats

money21207 · Jul 27, 2009

Jackolythe said: ↑

When an overwhelming amount of people disagree with you, with logical points, then maybe it is you who does not 'get it'.
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not really because the love for pac on this site is overwhelming and the hate for floyd equally so. therefore you'll get a lot of biased opinions because of the love for pac

Little Pea · Jul 27, 2009

money21207 said: ↑

not really because the love for pac on this site is overwhelming and the hate for floyd equally so. therefore you'll get a lot of biased opinions because of the love for pac
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You get biased opinions on both sides.

I'm perfect with the 50-50 split.

Marquez · Jul 27, 2009

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Now before everyone comes in here and kills me, I want you to take some time and think about what I'm about to type out. This is not solely based upon what I think, but spoken from the perspective of Mayweather and in a way that is relatively to both Mayweather & Pacman (objectively) so please before you comment, do not roast me. Read my OP and then state your opinion as fairly as possible.

Now in the past month one of the hottest debates in boxing has been "Who deserves the lions share,Floyd Mayweather Or Manny Pacman?" and rightfully so, this would easily be the biggest matchup in the past 10 years and probably one of the biggest in the past 20 years (remember its 2009).

The
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to this puzzle which Floyd has been bringing up so much is,
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. What this basically translates to is that when it comes time to strike a deal with Manny Pacqiaou to fight,
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. Already Aside from the fact that Floyd & Arum had a horrible past, this is one BIG ROAD BLOCK. Due to the fact that arum gets 27% of his cut no matter what, it means that
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, one on the negotiating table & the other in the ring. Bob Arum is no fool and he knows how much money will be in this bout so as long as he has 27% stake in the fight, he will make sure he gets some of that money and Floyd is just acknowledging the fact that Arum really shouldnt be touching that much of it. And in some way im sure Floyd is looking at it as "I'm Not Letting Arum Touch Any Of
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, Especially when he isnt doing anything inside of a ring". What I see some of you guys saying is "Every boxer has a promoter, this concept is ******ed as hell." Which is partially true but the fact of the matter is that
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at the end of the day. He set up his entire career to fight oscar de la hoya, and when he did he was the one bending over in contractual negotiations. From ring size, to glove size, to EVERYTHING
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, and when he beat de la hoya at his own game Floyd inheritted the right to become "the man", More on this a bit later.

The second piece to this puzzle is,
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Now obviously many believed Floyd Mayweather would eventually come back out of retirement and that he was only on a short term vacation. But who is to truly say that is a fact? Floyd was retired from the sport of boxing and
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. I can already see some of you guys quoting this section and riddling me with facts about how floyd is supposedly in debt and a bunch of other stuff. But lets be as real as possible for a second,
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what kind of financial situation this man is dealing with. On the contrary to the actual reports NONE of us truly know, And on top of that if Floyd really just wants to
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for the WBC belt or something like that. To even expand on this, When Pacman beat Hatton, what was the topic the next day on sports center? Spoken directly from the mouth of woody paige, Manny Pacqiaou vs Floyd Mayweather. At the end of the day floyd is still the top dog and would be coming out of his position to fight Manny Pacqiaou.

The Third Piece to this puzzle is the fact that no matter how you really spin it A
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Fight is still the fighter that is in the
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. People have been begging to Fight Floyd for years & years and still are. You honestly Cannot
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. These are 4 of the most highly demanded fights in the sport by far and its because of Floyd mayweather. In regards to pacman in connection to floyd, after pacman beat hatton the next logical step was floyd.
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, which leads me to my next point.

The Fourth Piece to this puzzle is the fact that regardless of whether Pacman beat ODLH & Hatton more convincingly (which is partially debateable)
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. Pacman is just following if floyd's footsteps and doing things that he already done when the common opponents were at a way higher point, So
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to Floyd earning less money than Pacman? What will make these negotiations interesting is
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If pacman does that then he would have done something that Floyd never did and cant really spin it any other way, so that would definitely give Pacman Some Additional Leverage when it comes time to negotiate a fight Between Pacman & Mayweather.

The Fifth Piece is the fact that
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, or for that matter any of these other guys who are left over. Floyd's Career is already a very accomplished & successful Career that will leave him cemented in the history books as one of the most successful boxers of our era and a 1st ballot hall of famer. Add that up with the fact that he is coming out of retirement to do this fight,
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aside from the fact that he will get a big check for the fight.
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. What I see some of you saying is "of course floyd needs pacman, he is the p4p #1 guy" but for as long as floyd was around Pacman was behind him in the p4p charts and still hasnt done anything to truly surpass him,
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(after me typing this its a bit clearer to why floyd always says he is still the p4p #1) pacman hasnt truly done anything to surpass floyd in a p4p conversation.
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At the end of the day (and this long thread) this is just trying to give you a look inside of why Floyd may deserve the bigger share of the pie. This isnt necessarily what I believe (although the more I type it the more I believe Floyd does deserve the bigger share). One thing I kind of left out is how Floyd always mentions
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. When floyd says that what it means (translateted) is that pacman is ready & willing to do whatever he has to for him to step in side the ring with floyd mayweather (including the lesser portion of the negotiations), this is why he is fighting jmm.
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by beating Floyd Mayweather Jr (
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So regardless I'd like to see everyones feedback and thoughts on this topic, I think its pretty interesting and I tried to be as objective as possible and write as clear as possible so everyone reads it through.

Check it out and let me know what you think
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Gayweather hasn't done $hit to deserve the lion's share.. $hit! he isn't even the draw... Pacman is.. Pacman is one of the Pillars of boxing today... Gayweather is almost irrelevant.. Boxing was great while he was hiding for almost 2 years...

Little Pea · Jul 27, 2009

I'm still laughing at the "clear cut explanation" thread title.

walk with me · Jul 27, 2009

50 50 is just like...

"**** it i dont want to make a specific decision because its to difficult and i just want to see these guys fight... so **** it.. lets do 50 - 50 "

when you break it down factor by factor you should be able to come up with a fair deal.... right now it should be like... 48-52 floyd

if manny beats cotto 48-52 manny
if floyd SHITS (ko's) jmm it should be 50 - 50

Little Pea · Jul 27, 2009

walk with me said: ↑

50 50 is just like...

"**** it i dont want to make a specific decision because its to difficult and i just want to see these guys fight... so **** it.. lets do 50 - 50 "

when you break it down factor by factor you should be able to come up with a fair deal.... right now it should be like... 48-52 floyd

if manny beats cotto 48-52 manny
if floyd SHITS (ko's) jmm it should be 50 - 50
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All this for a 48-52 split?
Why do you mind that much?
I'm picking 50-50 because i think its fair.
What is wrong with that?

JuanMa · Jul 27, 2009

50/50 I say and Arum should be locked in a closet till negotiation's are over.

walk with me · Jul 27, 2009

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See blue below.
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Titomahawk said: ↑

All this for a 48-52 split?
Why do you mind that much?
I'm picking 50-50 because i think its fair.
What is wrong with that?
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because realistically... if a contract had to be made today... imo..

pacman hasnt DONE more then floyd right now.. prior to pacmans last 3 fights nobody thought he was on floyd's level and definitely would have taken less money to fight floyd... then he fights 1 b- level fighter and 2 guys that floyd already beat and he deserves just as much money?

nah....

but if pacman beats cotto that changes everythign because at that point he would have taken it just a step farther then floyd.....

if floyd obliterates jmm though he would have taken it a step farther than pacman

if they both win it should probably be 50 50

Knives7 · Jul 27, 2009

walk with me said: ↑

because realistically... if a contract had to be made today... imo..

pacman hasnt DONE more then floyd right now.. prior to pacmans last 3 fights nobody thought he was on floyd's level and definitely would have taken less money to fight floyd... then he fights 1 b- level fighter and 2 guys that floyd already beat and he deserves just as much money?

nah....

but if pacman beats cotto that changes everythign because at that point he would have taken it just a step farther then floyd.....

if floyd obliterates jmm though he would have taken it a step farther than pacman

if they both win it should probably be 50 50
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Obliterating someone who came from 135 is worth ****. No offense. And that's not how they're gonna decide how they should split the purse. Highest number of revenue (from Cot/Pac or JMM/Gay) should have the bigger share.

walk with me · Jul 27, 2009

that shouldnt really be the ultimate deciding factor... its who is the bigger dog at the end of the day

all things considered (ppv sales, most recent string of fights, demand etc etc)

because floyd might obliterate another guy who came from 135 and people might hail him king (pacman)

Marquez · Jul 27, 2009

It couldn't have been any more clearer..atsch

Thank you :-((

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