Explain To Me Why The General Concensus Is That Pacman Will Ko Cotto...

Great post. That's the one thing that worries me too, is that Cotto might get a bad cut. I'm also a little worried that if it goes to scorecards, unless Cotto decisivly wins the fight, that Arum will have it arranged for Pac to get the decision.

 

While i semi agree with you Pacquiao is not Margarito and this is why :

While Pac is in a different league P4P than Marg , stylistically Margarito was put on this earth to fight Cotto , Cotto does not clinch and he fights on the backfoot for 70% of all his fights , while Cotto i beleive to be the natural bigger puncher than Marg when throwing off the back foot you lose a lot of your power and Cotto threw all his combo's while moving backwards and allowed Margarito to walk him down and subsequently gassed .

Ok Margarito is a 6ft 1 WW , and re hydrates at around 160 , Pacquiao is a 5ft 6 Jr WW at most (reference to his weight class) and when fighting Cotto will re hydrate at probably 150 tops maybe less .

Pacquiao does not fight like Margarito , ok yes he is a pressure fighter but he is an in out fighter until he wears down the opponent then applies 100% pressure with out a backwards step .

While Pac is in the in out phase of the fight i.e. rounds 1-8 he runs the risk of Cotto KO'ing him , this is something Margarito did not let happen not even close !!!!!!

So while Pac is clearly a better fighter than Marg the differences in there styles and body size's here is the key to what im saying .

 

It's a perfect example if you want to see how good Cotto's defense is. Margarito is as predictable as it gets and terribly slow.

 

You probably didn't understand my post. I'm NOT comparing Margarito's style with Pacquiao's. All I'm pointing at here is Cotto's poor defense and how Margarito was able to land at will. Margarito DIDN'T use his size as an advantage, the man was going in leaning down and throwing punches, it's not like he used his jab or made Cotto fight at distance, if he did then he used his size. Margarito is a tall fighter who fights short, the guy relies on aggression and punch resistance to win fights, he outworks people and doesn't use his size as an advantage being the aggressor most of the times. When they were in the middle of the ring Cotto usually got the best out of it when it's supposed to be the other way around for a tall fighter.

As I said, the only reason I bring up Margarito is NOT based on his size, nope, it's how he was able to land at will against Cotto. If Margarito, who is extremely slow and predictable, was able to land as many times as he did then expect far more from the multi dimensional, extremely fast, serious power, unpredictable and seriously skilled Pacquiao.

If Judah was able to rock Cotto as early as the first round with an uppercut while Cotto leaned down totally welcoming it then wait till you see Pac land his. Cotto's punch resistance is not good enough and when you lack defense and punch resistance against the P4P#1 then you're in for an ass whopping. I'm not saying Cotto is terrible, I'm a fan of his too but Pac is the wrong style for him and a southpaw to boot.

 

I know that and I bring up the Margarito example as proof of Cotto's poor defense and nothing else. Margarito wouldn't have landed the concrete punches if Cotto had better defense, that's the only point I'm making.

Margarito, Judah, Mosley, Clottey, Corley, Torres, Maussa, Abdulaev all landed on Cotto and stunned, hurt or rocked him.

 

good post but very one sided although you mentioned cotto's weaknesses we have yet to see it pacman can actually take a beating at welterweight, he hasn't even been hit yet above 135 lb and has not been taken to deep waters since 130 lb this taken into consideration and if cotto is able to avoid pac's right hook and straight left this maybe an interesting fight. I think either man can knock out the other.

 

I understood your post clearly , for rounds 1-6 Margarito didnt land a significant punch even though he was coming forward the whole time , it was after Cotto gassed that Marg started to land , the reason Cotto gassed is because he allowed Marg to walk him down back him up constantly 100% of the time if Cotto was not throwing he was moving backwards and that took its toll , that added to the volume of punches Marg was now throwing/landing was the undoing of him .

This eventuality will not play out when Pac fights Cotto , and that is why i mentioned size so frequently , to say Margarito does not use his size is down right stupid , quick question if Margarito was 5ft 7 would he be as affective with exactly the same style ???? , of course not he is a huge WW along with Clottey the biggest by far in the division , and in directly uses his size when fighting , although he is not a boxer like PW , he still
uses his size advantage and this was underlined against Cotto .

Yes Pacquiao will land , and i agree yes Cotto's chin is not great but its good , but to compare the Margarito fight to highlight Cotto's lack of defense is invalid because there were factors that led to Cotto being practically in capable of defending himself that Pacquiao just does not bring to the table .

While i like Cotto in his fight i agree too that Pac can stop him but Pac will look to pick Cotto apart rather than stalk him down (as Marg did) and the problem there is that while Pac's shots would stop fighters in there tracks from SFW - Jr WW , there is a big question mark over whether Pacs shots will stop Cotto in his tracks , and if he fails to do that Cotto will at some point in the fight on several occasions catch Pacquiao and thats the problem he faces .

Its a silly comparison to make as they have such different styles , while Margarito in boxing terms is not fit to lace Pacquiao's boots what he brings to the table is more affective to specifically beat Cotto than what Pac brings , its that simple .

On the south paw point as im sure you know Cotto is a natural SP and soes not circle in the conventional way an orthadox fighter does and often switches stance , therefore making the SP advantage for Pac less affective not non existant but less afftective , he will not walk onto shots like Hatton did infact quite the opposite .

 

Even though not many noticed this but both DLH and Hatton actually landed on him and he kept coming, no they didn't land anything seriously major but they did land something. Some people have the idea that Pacquiao MIGHT be chinny at this weight for unknown reasons to me, hell I see people hinting that ANY clean punch could put him to sleep. No I'm not saying you're one of these people, just bringing it up as an obvious fact. I'm sure if Pac is put in a situation where he has to take a shot he will be able to, besides, I don't expect Pacquiao to stand in one place and allow Cotto to land many punches, Manny relies on movement a lot and WON'T be standing still. You could be right of course, in boxing anything is possible.

 

De La Hoya had 1 good passage of punches land on Pac in rd1 and he was everywhere , if Cotto lands flush its done , Marquez rocked Pac in fights 1 & 2 although Manny is a bigger man now he has never had to deal with a puncher like Cotto , ok Cotto is not Mike Tyson but in this instance this would go for any of the WW's against Pac .

Mosley , Marg , Clottey , Judah , Mayweather etc etc etc !!!!!!!!!!

 

You must be joking, Margarito did land a lot of punches the first 6 rounds. Cotto had a small cut above the eye going into the 5th. The reason Cotto gassed is because he had to use movement and throw lots of punches, it's Margarito's successful aggression and Cotto's inability to back him off that caused that. Margarito confirmed his aggression was successful when he found out Cotto can't hurt him.

Margarito doesn't use his size to his advantage and if you can't see that you're the one who's stupid. Do you even know how Mosley was able to beat him up?, Mosley was LITERALLY giving Margarito the positioning he WANTED as a tall fighter by keeping it in the middle of the ring with some distance and instead of Margarito, the taller fighter, taking full advantage of a position any tall fighter considers his he was outboxed, outlanded and overpowered.

You might want to watch more videos of Richardson and Mosley explaining what tactic they used and what they did in the ring if you can't see it for yourself.

Nonsense. You want to tell me the combinations and unpredictable extremely fast punches Pacquiao is going to throw aren't stuff he brings to the table?

Margarito is extremely predictable and extremely slow, the man didn't even know how to cut off the ring and was literally stalking yet he landed at will and in combinations. It wasn't because of Margarito "awesome" tactics it was because Cotto HAS to stand in one place and set his self up to land bombs and he thought the best way to do it is go to the ropes and try to counter.

You don't need to "stalk" to score a KO. The punches you don't see coming are the ones that hurt the most, even from a fighter who is not known for KO power and we all know what kind of power Pacquiao brings.

Again you think I'm "comparing". I mentioned it in my previous post and repeat, I'M NOT COMPARING THEIR STYLES. Do I look like an idiot to you to compare Margarito's style with Pacquiao?. I mentioned to you that the only thing I was bringing up regarding the Margarito fight ISN'T WHAT MARGARITO IS DOING it's Cotto's lack of defense. The Margarito fight isn't the only proof to that but it's the best considering how **** slow Margarito is and how predictable as well.

I never said he will walk into punches and never mentioned being "southpaw" as the proof, it's either you don't understand what I'm trying to say or there's some issue here.

What I'm saying is that Cotto needs to set his self by standing still to unload and with Pacquiao's movement don't expect him to be able to do that successfully.

It all comes down to speed and how Cotto handles Pac's power. Pac will be landing with punches Cotto won't see coming all night.

Regarding what style Pac will use, it will be obvious. Pac will use a boxer/puncher style and be unpredictable with his aggression. You just never know when he's going to jump in as the aggressor and when he will look to counter, that's how a fighter proves he's not one-dimensional and predictable.

 

That's your opinion then, I don't think one clean punch from Cotto will end it and think it's preposterous. When was Cotto known for one punch KO power?

 

You're crazy. Margarito was consistently landing punishing body shots in these rounds. This helped him later on in the fight. Margarito won at least 2 of those rounds, and yet another was quite close.

 

Mosley never really caught cotto with any huge shots. Cotto boxed pretty well in that fight. Trust me, if mosley hit cotto with the shots margorito got hit with, he would be KTFO

Judah had him on ***** street and almost out. WTF are you talking about nuthugger? Cotto had to throw low blows after each of those shots he took? IS throwing low blows taking shots in stride??

Margo has never been a big hitter, and he didnt really put much on any individual shot in that fight, he was going more for acumilation... HE got ****ed up anyway

Everyone knows cotto has an OK chin, but he fades badly late in fights. IF manny dosent ko him early, hell wait for him to gas. And then pour it on :hey

 

Uhhhh margo is 5'11 :-(

Or did he take some magic beans recently and grow 2 inches? :rofl

 

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