Ali Or Leonard

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  1. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Who do you consider to be better,pound for pound out of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard ? As far as the textbook goes I would give this one to Leonard,yet Ali seemed to possess more imponderables like snatching victory from the jaws of defeat. Also winning fights by unorthodox means. For example I could n't imagine Leonard in his early thirties beating a middleweight equivalent of George Foreman via the rope-a-dope technique.
     
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  2. PbP Bacon

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    Leonard is ATG, but Ali is better PbP than Leonard
     
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  3. Henke67

    Henke67 One of the 45% Full Member

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    I have Ali somewhere between #6 and #8 P4P, whereas Leonard is on the fringes of my top 10.

    Ali's ability to be the best Heavyweight of a golden era after he'd lost one of his greatest assets (his foot-speed) is one of the reasons I rate him so highly.
     
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  4. DINAMITA

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    Personally it's a no contest for me, it absolutely has to be Ali. Leonard has huge and amazing wins (Benitez, Hearns, Duran II, Hagler), Ali has huge and amazing wins (Liston I+II, Foreman, Frazier II+III), but then Ali has so so so much more to his career. Contender after contender after contender mastered over years and years and years.
     
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  5. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali, though Leonard was tremendous until he started doing that comeback thing.
     
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  6. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Leonard had the potential to surpass Ali in a P4P sense had he been more active, and had never suffered the detached retina. As great as Leonard's resume remains, he was to inconsistent to **** with a guy like Ali, who cleared up at Heavyweight at least two times, once whilst past his best.

    Ali, and it's not close.
     
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  7. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali, easily.
     
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  8. teeto

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    The only, and the rock means only.......... way you could give this to Leonard would be on the multi-divisional aspect of greatness.

    My pick is Ali outright.
     
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  9. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali

    Not many in the history of the sport where better p4p than Ray Leonard but Muhammad Ali was one of the few who were.
     
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  10. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    Only one boxer can be rated over Ali IMO & thats Robinson, those 2 are the cream of the crop.
     
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  11. The Predator

    The Predator Active Member Full Member

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    These are my two absolute favourite boxers. Leonard is superb but no way he takes this one. There can only be one The greatest and he said it himself. With all good points mentioned before I agree totally.
    MUHAMMAD ALI.
    All the best
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  12. DRMULLEN

    DRMULLEN Active Member Full Member

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    Ali.
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Ali
     
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  14. GDG

    GDG Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Leonards resume (despite having amazing wins) lacks a great deal of solid wins.

    It's a shame as Leonard could quite possibly have been the most naturally talented boxer ever...he really seemed to have it all!!

    I have him at #9 on my top 50 fighters but much of that is down to natural talent rather than a deep resume. Has to be Ali for me.
     
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  15. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Ali
     
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