Best Right Hands

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH5KYZ94V8w
3:40, 8:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywxiwAApUpc
5:35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ATaP2TyF9U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLvs0AvGK4Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgZ_y9DqjuU

 

In terms of pure power it has to be Jackson or Mclellan but i can see this aint the case. We're looking at the versatility, the accuracy and the delivery. For me Marquez is just beautifully textbook, maybe too much so, it looks like he knows where he's punching and is putting it there if you know what i mean.

whereas for guys like Tommy Hearns or Joe louis it just seems completely natural.
Hearns, Louis and Arguello for me.

 

i thought id butt in here

I think Duran was getting angry at Ray and thought Ray wasnt a fighter and was almost cheating. He thought a fighter was one who would stand and fight not run like a girl.

I think at that moment in time in Durans head the most macho thing he could do was refuse to fight him in a defiant gesture of '**** you Ray.'

His wording is intreting 'i aint fighting no clown (or words to that extent)'

i think that provides back up to my thinking

obvioosly he regretted it immediatly

 

I am too young, i watched it for the first time in a while the other day, i was talking to GPater as i was actually (he was shaming me for not seeing it for so long!). I thought the fight was of a competetive nature throughout the most part, but i only give Duran the third round personally. Duran was dealing with the movement not badly in my perception, but then in round seven, Leonard started taunting him. In round eight, normal action (as it was on the night) resumed, and Leonard was doing the scoring for me, plain and simply. My conclusion; Duran just quit because he was losing. None of this 'he quit because he can't handle that style of fight', it was competetive, he just quit because he wasn't winning. Not good at all.

That's just from my opinionated viewpoint. The bout you have asked me about is a candidate for most controversial and subjectively debated of all time, so i'm nowhere near saying that my perception of the fight is correct. Maybe it isn't, but that's how it looked to me.

I rate both of the wins as proper wins for each men respectively, the only reason i might say Duran's win over Leonard is slightly greater would be becasue of the weight being 'Leonard's own', so to speak. I know people think i'm biased on here, but really i can see things straight.

I also say though, that the nature of the loss doesn't really matter to me, if two fighters come together with credible records/resumes, or are estalished under a weight division's limit, then the win is good, obviously for the winner. Then there's this thing about Duran being out of shape, who knows? I know Leonard admitted to getting Duran to fight early, but he's a bit dramatic for the camera, and the likes of Carlos Eleta even more so. Who knows if Duran was in shape or not, for me it's a great win for Leonard. Considering Duran's resume at the weight never gets spoken of, it's underrated almost definitely, so it is a great win for Leonard.

On the point of me saying i don't care how the win was achieved, now in terms of Duran's legacy, i see it like this; we know what he did at 135, then at 147, he beats good, top opposition of the time, then beats Ray Leonard, then loses one fight at the weight, regardless of how, pretty impressive in my unbiased opinion!

 

I just don't see it quite like that GP, and i know Duran says that was what he was thinking at the time, 'he's not fighting like a man' and all, but i just thought it was a decent fight, he wasn't winning, and he quit. But i don't say you're wrong, the thing in round seven likely played a role in the quitjob.

 

theres many different ways to see it.

I think part of it was frustration taht he was losing, but he still perservered (although he was never losing so badly except maybe Hearns but that was different). And we have his reputation that he was a hard man and macho and he played to them so i dont see him just plain quitting.

In a sense it was this guys winning and fighting like a clown, so **** him.

But we will never know

 

Riddick Bowe, anybody? After he stopped training and became effectively shot it was a looping, sloppy, right hand, but in his prime it was fantastic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNHk8X7MZSs
7.53 - Cooper gets blitzed by a super fast, straight right hand.

 

Yeah, that's all we can say. My mate said he just needed a to have a ****.

 

:rofl:rofl

i misread taht for a second i was like 'why you telling me your mate needs a ****' atsch

could be a possibility though

 

I'll let you know if he needs one!

 

Yeah i can only imagine how a quit job would have went down in your old man's day, and in Pittsburgh as well?!

Thanks for the kind words, feelings mutual (sure you know that though).

 

Benvenuti go tthe towel throwing in against Monzon but kicked it out again. But the ref stopped it

also Teeto thanks