How come Arreola wasn't complaining about the contract with Vitali?

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  1. Strike

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    Well do you reckon Arreola has a contract that says should he win, he will have to fight a rematch and should he win that he will have to fight Wlad, and all three fights will be in Germany and 100% of ticket sales will go to Vitali and Wlad?
     
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  2. Strike

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    From the UK are you? How did he fill a 22,000 stadium against Enzo Mac for the Cruiserweight belts then?
    I'll give you a clue, the majority of the crowd were not there for Enzo.
     
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  3. madballster

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    1. Excuse me, but that's exactly what Haye wanted, wasn't it? He wanted to rip both of the Klitz heads off right in front of their home crowd. Haye signed the contract against Wlad so he knew exactly what he was in for.
    2. The point is not if Arreola's contract is word for word identical to Haye's. Obviously the venue is different. The TV stations (HBO, RTL) have their say as well. The point here is the general notion that the Klitz are hard to deal with and are imposing slave contracts on all their opponents -- as claimed by Haye which I think reeks of TOTAL bull****. If that was the case then why did Arreola sign? He was very likely just one fight away from being the mandatory challenger.
     
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  4. rayhogan

    rayhogan Dont worry Pac, you wont Full Member

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    "cough"cheap seats
     
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  5. calumbo

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    Well cleary both contracts are not going to be the bloody same!!

    Haye poses a far greater threat to Both K brothers than arreola does...whether you like the guy(which you clearly dont) or not he is faster,has one punch ko power and has far greater reflexes - no comparison with arreola!

    Put your HATE aside and see that the 2 contracts/fights are totally different!
     
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  6. madballster

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    Haye is unable to pull 60,000 in a UK football stadium like he and his manager promised. Against Barret half the venue was empty. Against Valuev he will likely fight in Germany not because Valuev is such a huge superstar in Germany but because that fight pulls more people into a venue in Germany than in the UK. Plain and simple.
     
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  7. Strike

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    Well I was in a "cheap seat" and it still cost me £50, so not that cheap really is it?
     
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  8. madballster

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    Then why didn't Haye go fight Arreola for a mandatory shot so he wouldn't have to subject himself to painful negotiations?

    I'll tell you. Because against a big huge guy with heavy hands like Arreola an average chinned guy like Haye who is wide open with zero defense is at risk of getting KTFO in any round.

    Haye is as much a threat to the Klitz as any other heavyweight. Remember Wlad signed with Haye and was ready to go into the ring until two weeks before the fight when Haye pulled out.
     
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  9. Strike

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    Like most of your hugely biased posts on this subject.

    The fact that Arreola gets a cut of the ticket sales makes it a hugely different contract immediately and means your entire premise is false. Perhaps the Klit brothers were only difficult with Haye because he had pissed them off?

    It wouldn't change the fact that they were difficult to deal with for him would it?
     
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  10. psychopath

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    . . . because deep in his heart he really wanted the fight.
     
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  11. calumbo

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    The reason he never went after arreola is plain and simple!
    After cleaning up the cruisers(bar cunninghams belt) he would think why not go after the no1 man rather than fight a few non important tune ups!
    Plenty of current lower weight champs do it.

    The question that should be asked is how come it took haye a matter of days/weeks to sign up for a fight with valuev? Who remember is under the banner of both Don King/Sauerland..now youre telling me that dealing with 2 parties should be easier than dealing with 1?!
     
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  12. suckeggs

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    i was in one of those cheap seats and they were far from ****ing cheap
     
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  13. madballster

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    This admittedly comes from Bernd Bönte, the K2 CEO and Klitschko's manager, so take this with a grain of salt: Allegedly Haye and Booth were pressing to forfeit their cut of the ticket sales in return for 100% of UK TV revenues.

    1. Against Wlad, they wanted to get 100% of the TV revenues from Setanta instead of a cut of ticket sales, which went bankrupt 2 weeks before the fight = the reason for Haye's "injury".
    2. Against Vitali, they wanted 100% of the PPV revenues from SKY TV instead of a cut of ticket sales. Then they saw the PPV revenues of Khan - Kotelnik which supposedly grossed something like 400,000 British Pounds. Haye realized he's not a much bigger pull than Khan for PPV revenues so he will not even get close to their original goal of making 2-3 million British Pounds from SKY TV. So they pulled out and went for Valuev.

    If this is true then the only one to blame is Haye and his naive manager, not the Klitz. They blatantly overestimated their market value in the UK.
     
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  14. suckeggs

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    spot on... these thick as ****, self contradicting Klit fans and Haye haters won't be able to work this out though even if you tatooed it to their retina.
    They believe what they want to believe and if you give them proof to prove them wrong they will argue that the proof is all lies... they're tossers and not worth debating with, leave them to it
     
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  15. Strike

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    Yeah, but "if this is true" is the most important part of that post.

    I'm not saying Haye is not to blame, he might be, but neither of us know. You however have made a thread as if you do know. I don't know what the contract for Vitali looked like, but I do know (and the Klits have not denied it) that the one for the original 3 fights was awful, and it is something Valuev has said he has seen too.

    Time will tell I guess.
     
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