Goosen/Williams are going to blow it AGAIN

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by booradley, Jul 30, 2009.


  1. Marquez

    Marquez Guest

    Agree :good... The thread title is good.
     
  2. Boxing Tees

    Boxing Tees Active Member Full Member

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    Like I said before, we need to know what HBO is offering for Williams/Dzindiruk before we can make any accurate judgement on Goossen's negotiating power and whether or not they are doing their fighter justice. If HBO is willing to pay Paul near Pavlik money for the Dzindiruk fight, maybe their argument is valid. If it's significantly less, than Arum definitely has more leverage.
     
  3. Ring Master

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    well they still have the date. So not only what HBO offers then take in to account the sponsirship money. Sponsers pay more for An HBO world championship boxing telecast or and independant top rank PPV?

    if you was president of advertising for tecate...which on you rolling with?
     
  4. booradley

    booradley Mean People Kick Ass! Full Member

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    I understand your point, and the Dzindurik fight is the smarter option in some ways. However, it would still mean that Williams took the easier and less dangerous fight.
     
  5. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    **** does that have to do with anything... goosen is still going to negotiate how he wants to... that doesnt change anything

    williams been said he would fight pavlik
    and I doubt pavlik has any problem fighting williams

    so once again... it falls on the shoulders of the promoters

    shane was #1 option
    pavlik was #2 option
    dzinzurik was #3 option
    clottey will probably be #4

    so be patient and wait...

    dog stfu.. you the biggest hater on this forum.... you hate all black fighters.. zip that **** up

    obviously williams / dzindiruk wouldnt be making half of what pavlik williams was.... nobody trying to watch sergie dzindiruk.. only reason people will want to see him is because he could potentially be someone who beats paul williams... everyone wants this fight... the only thing holding it back are the promoters


    WHO WILL IRON IT OUT by wednesday
     
  6. Boxing Tees

    Boxing Tees Active Member Full Member

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    Great question. And fortunately, I am fairly well equipped to answer it. I own a boxing apparel company, and we are faced with this question often. We were actually one of the title sponsors of Andre Ward's last fight in Oakland. Truthfully, 9 out of 10 leads we received from the sponsorship of that fight came from people who were there in person at the event, not from people who saw our logo on Showtime, even though it was on the ring mat. That being said, as a potential sponsor, I would rather spend my money for a Pavlik-Williams fight based solely on the large number of people in attendance at the event. Even if Kelly's fight in on independent PPV, he will still pack the Boardwalk Hall with 8,000 plus fans even if he was fighting me. Based on recent historical evidence, Williams/Dzindiruk will be lucky to draw 3,000 fans wherever they hold the fight. That being said, I think Goossen and Williams may make more with a 50/50 split of the Pavlik-Williams sponsorship revenue than they would with 80% of the Williams-Dzindiruk. Just something else to take into consideration. I still think Williams should get 50-50 of everything but live gate, and I also think he has a good chance to win the fight.
     
  7. Caliboxing

    Caliboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I hope you're right. It's frusterating because we all want to see this fight and it's not looking good right now.
     
  8. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Cotto, Mosley and Clottey are about as realistic for Williams as Bute, Kessler and Sturm are for Pavlik.
     
  9. Boxing Tees

    Boxing Tees Active Member Full Member

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    My company is fairly unique, though. I'm sure other advertisers would much rather have HBO coverage, although sometimes that can be deceiving. Depending on camera angles, etc, your logo/message may barely be seen on tv, making the larger television audience on HBO kind of a moot point.
     
  10. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    ^^ Sensible post.
     
  11. Marquez

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    Really???? Mosley, Taylor, Hopkins, Bradley, they all look very black to me.. and I admire and respect them among other black fighters... So, how about you kiss my ass and stick your little race card up your ass?? :good
     
  12. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    its been SEVEN DAYS... between 2 promoters who really dont like to do business with each other.... I predicted it be done by next week the first time i heard about this.. you guys are being extremely impatient...

    cotto is pretty unrealistic
    mosley... fairly but not so much
    clottey is very realistic...


    clottey wanted williams after cotto but williams was trying to do something bigger
     
  13. Marquez

    Marquez Guest

    I thought you said everything was going to be ironed out by this Friday?? You slippin "dog" !
     
  14. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    It was a prerequisite for Calculus so I'm pretty sure I learned that since I passed Calculus. :deal
     
  15. Hermit

    Hermit Loyal Member banned

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    Obviously you didn't read the article at all so STFU. Arum is out of the loop on this one. READ IT.