Roach: "We Don't Need To Fight Cotto For No Title"

he means if Cotto has to be fined if he comes in at 146 or 147 then it's not a WW fight, becuzz it is not at the WW limit

is 145 within the limits? yep sure is, but theres a difference between a fighter choosing to come in at 145 and a fighter having too

if you can't come in at 147, then it's not a WW fight...plain and simple

 

Cause right now, Pac's graetness can be disputed? If Pac beats Cotto at 145 or 147, is that really what will make a difference 10-15 years from now, when people are talking about Pac's legacy? I believe Cotto's name will not even be on the forefront of the discussion.

 

He can come in at 147 if he wants to, but he should recognize that at 147 he will have a huge advantage and that therefore Pacquiao deserves an even bigger cut of the purse, hence the penalty. Its not like its the commission that imposes the penalty. Its a contract stipulation. If Cotto wants an even bigger size advantage, then its only normal that Pacquiao should get more money.



As for the title, the fight will only be bigger if the title is on the line, whether its at 145 or 147.

I don't see how it can benefit Cotto to vacate the title rather than put it on the line in this fight. What does he have to gain by from doing this

 

Well yeah "up to" - more or less means the same as under (really you're not going to be scrutinizing variances of 1/1000th of a pound :yep). Even one quarter ounce over 147, however - is junior middleweight.

I don't have an opinion one way or another on the whole catchweight mess that Pac has created. I just want people to fight. His continually jumping up is impressive, but tbh I wish he'd stay put somewhere and clean a division out (preferably one Juan Manuel is passing through.

Just felt the need to correct the guy who intimated that both participants in a welter title fight have to be 147 - when 147 is the maximum allowed (not 147.00000000000000001 - 147).

I don't know...that's my understanding anyway. Am I wrong? Could be that it's not that specific - the rules of the sport were drafted long before electronic measurement systems were available. Maybe it's that anything up through 147.999999999999999 (basically under 148..) is allowed. :think

 

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If Roach really want to fight for the title then just remove the 145lb requirement and fight for it. Cotto's last weight was 146lb so this 1lb dispute has right now no sense ... it had for 143lb but not for just a single or 2 lbs. Lets give PAC a chance to win the title without any excuses.

 

So you acknowledge that 145 Cotto is not the same as 147 pound Cotto? Why should Manny get an easier time at the title than anyone else that wants it? Clotty had to fight the full Cotto, Mosley had to fight the full Cotto. if Manny is to weak or small to beat the full Cotto why should he get the title?

 

Too easy to understand my friend.

 

Because Pacquiao is a much smaller fighter coming up in weight while both Clottey and Mosley were full sized WWs. And lets not forget that Pacquiao brings alot to the table for Cotto in terms of legacy. Its not like its just Pacquiao who stands to gain from this fight. 145 is a fair compromise and both fighters should put all their chips on the table in order for the fight to be as meaningful as possible for BOTH camps. There is NOTHING to gain for either fighter by vacating the WBO rather than having it on the line. It doesn't make sense.

Of course a 145lb Cotto is less dangerous than a 147lb Cotto. Its a compromise based on the fact that Pacquiao was still fighting at super featherweight in March 2008. That doesn't mean the title sholdn't be on the line.

As far as I'm concerned both fighters have the obligation to bring all their chips to the table in order to make the fight as big and meaningful as possible for both the fans and themselves.

I still don't understand what Cotto stands to gain from vacating the title rather than putting it on the line at a catchweight. For me, his only motivation to NOT put the title on the line would be to prevent Manny Pacquiao from setting a record, and that imo is really an envious and jealous move that makes me lose respect for him as a fighter.

 

thats why the fights at 145, so that the fight is more about who's the better fighter and not the bigger fighter....BUT, at the same time that doesn't justify that the title should be on the line, because essentially it's a catchweight fight and not a full-blown WW fight

so yeah, you're right....Cotto signed the contract for the fight to be at 145, but thats not the problem, the problem is they seem to think they said Cotto would put his belt on the line as well, when he didn't

and you say: " If Cotto wants an even bigger size advantage, then its only normal that Pacquiao should get more money."

everyone already recognizes that, thats why Pac is getting the lions share of the purse, and i can also spin that in Cotto's favor as well...

If Pacs wants to fight for the WW Championship, then it's only normal that Cotto should be allowed to weigh in at the WW limit is it not?

so it all boils down to this....who wants the fight more Manny or Miguel? both of them have enough pull to negotiate and both of them have enough options to walk away, and neither fighter can be blamed for not taking the fight in my opinion

 

I think we all agree with that. But i can't complain at Cotto for not wanting to put his belt on the line if he can't be (or feel he can't be) at his best.
Pacquiao can't IMPOSE a weight limit that is not the REAL welterweight limit to fight for a welterweight belt.

I'll watch that super fight belt or not.

Best thing would be 147 limit. No excuse. I still feel Manny wins it.

 

Dude this isn't middle school. The **** doesn't have to be fair. If pacquiao wants to fight guys his own size there is plenty of guys at 140 or 135 that would love a shot. If he wants to make history and say that he beat a welterweight then he shouldn't try to put limitations on it.

This is not a p4p title fight, it's a welterweight fight.

 

I agree with that..

Cotto wont budge anyway, just like he didnt
budge on a drainage weight of 143..

Both fighters have options anyway, Pac mightnt
need Cotto - but that can go both ways, not
everyone needs Pac, he comes with a lot of restrictions.