Roach: "We Don't Need To Fight Cotto For No Title"

Good idea!:good PAC wants 7 titles but he has to give a little if he wants Cotto's title at WW. He can't have the fight at 145 and give Cotto 30 or 35% of the purse and expect Miguel not to be offended. Cotto is a champion too. I'm not saying that fight should be at 147 for the WW title....just that PAC pretty much holds ALL the cards except for the won that has the WBO title on the line. Cotto has one card and that one card is a "WILD CARD". Manny will have to either move up to 147 or give Cotto some more cake in order to make the fight at 145 with the title at stake.

In all honesty I think PAC beats cotto at 147 or 145, but this is psycholocial warfare right now. PAC was one up by being able to call the shots one purse and weight, but Cotto has something in his back pocket he just unleashed a couple of days ago....and now they are at a stalemate. It's PAC's move. Cotto holds the advantage at 147 or 145 as the bigger man......so IMO, PAC should just give Cotto the fight at 147 and keep the the purse and PPV split as is.

 

No one is scare....it's part of negotiations. PAC and Cotto are not afraid of fighting anyone. They just have respect for one anther as champions.

 

Strange situation actually....

Understand Cotto not putting his belt on the line if he is being forced to a catch-weight situation

However his last fight (where he defended the title), he weighed in at 146lbs only 1 lb above the agreed weight limit for pac.

Strange situation, I honestly think Cottos loosing confidence or wants to play safe!

 

our paths cross again, lol.

your right, if this Cotto fight for Pac wound up being non title, it would be an exhibition .. no other way to put it. as yes it'll count toward the record (unlike a real exhibition, lol)

but outside of Cotto's name to his resume, like it or not, that WBO Welterweight title does have some importance as for those who dunno it could be history making for Pacquiao

so I don't care what Arum says about it being "worthless" yes it's 1 of 4 recognized titles and a paper title but Pacquiao fighting for it makes it a title fight meaning it's more marketable (and him winning it is History)

at this point, it wouldn't surprise me if Team Pacquiao did consider alternate possibilities

as contract negotiations with Cotto look stuck in the mud ... with neither side at the moment willing to budge.

but my guess regarding the Cotto fight is that the WBO strips him, and since Pacquiao is ranked #1 by the WBO .. the Cotto-Pacquiao fight is for the vacant strap. Unless that's not allowed.

 

I have been bashing Arum for that "worthless" comment. Pacquiao is in a unique position to create history . . . you are absolutely right.

So if it's gonna be a title fight . . . the risk is definitely worth it. :good

 

Cotto would definitely be at 3 or 4 if he beat PAC. No question about it. Cotto GAINS alot just by fighting pac. Just as many who faced DLH back in the day. Miguel's stock automatically rises just being in the same ring as Manny. If he wins that means he'll be even more popular, he'll move up the P4P ranks, his next fight he'll be able to call the shots and he'll be a bonified PPV attraction making A LOT more than he has EVER. So Miguel.....what does he Gain by beating Manny. A LOT!

Of course many won't give Cotto full credit....most who won't give Miguel credit will be salty fans. But knowledgeable boxing fans who I believe are the "majority" will know a great win and a great champion when they are right in front of you. Look at Floyd, DLH, Nard even Manny. They always had so called boxing fans questioning their greatness and their wins. Many of these fans didn't give Manny credit for MAB, EM, DLH, JMM or ricky. Many didn't give DLH credit for Whitaker, Quartey, Tito, Shane or Chavez..although Chavez Sr IMO was far past his prime even at 35.

So of Course Cotto won't be any different should he beat a great fighter like PAC. When you are on top, your greatness will be in question by "boxing fans". However real fans know true greatness simply by apprecaiting witnessing greatness in the ring.

 

Well.....what did you say when PAC beat EM, MAB, JMM, DLH, Ricky and Diaz? And if Cotto beat PAC he would definitely be ranked 3 or 4 by most P4P ratings. If cotto wins MOST will give him credit. Just like MOST gave PAC credit for beating the likes of DLH, Ricky, Diaz, MAB, EM and JMM. But you'll always have "fans" who are biased or just plain haters. It comes with the territory.

 

Roach says a lot before fights. He also said Nard was shot after the Joe fight, he said Izzy was shot, he said DLH couldn't pull the trigger to get under his skin. Roach believes in his fighter, bottom line. DLH wasn't shot, neither were Ricky, JMM, MAB or EM. All the wins were justifiably great wins.

 

I gave PAC about that much of a chance wth DLH myself. Most did. No one could have been prepared for how Great PAC proved to be that night. No one believed Roach with how confident he was in PAC winning. Roach uses mental warfare against his fighters oppoents all the time. But I think it actually works on some levels.

 

AGAIN.....no one is giving PAC credit for doing a great job in the ring against PAC. Everyone is automatically ASSUMING that DLH was drained or shot b/c of how dominating PAC was. And no one is really switching things up to say "Maybe it was PAC who made DLH look as bad as he did". He did the same thing against MAB, EM, Ricky and Diaz. And the excuses followed to "WHY" it wasn't "PAC" who was just "THAT GOOD" as opposed to many saying it was Pac's opponents being shot, terrible or whatever excuse they could come up with to rationalize what they witnessed.

 

It can go either way. It won't kill Cotto to loose one extra pound either. The WW LIMIT is 147. That doesn't mean they can't come in lighter.

 

well I really believe Arum should be bashed as it's pretty classless for a promoter to knock a sanctioning body like that.

even if it is BS that there's 4 recognized Organizations. still very unprofessional of Bob to do that.

really intrigued to see how this situation plays out


**see how can you say the title is meaningless ... it's obviously not the most important belt Pacquiao can win

but if it really was meaningless ... why is this thread titled "We Don't need to fight Cotto for No Title"

I mean I'll agree with you half way, in that the WBO isn't the be all to end all of titles. and certainly is no Holy Grail.

but unless he changes his mind Roach obviously doesn't see the title as meaningless ... or why would he want to fight for it in the first place?

if it was meaningless don't you think a fight contract would be signed by now ... rather then all this arguing about the fight being title or non title?

 

You're just critizising from hindsight. trying to sound like an expert after the fact. I have never seen a post of yours before the Hoya fight to back up your claim.

Look, whatever Roach was saying was partly to instill confidence into Manny. The SD by Oscar against Floyd Jr (rated #1p4p) the previous year just can't be ignored just because Freddie's prediction came true. Also, don't discount the size difference, Pac fought at 130 (3 divisions lower) nine months prior, while Oscar needed to go just 3 down.
Manny made a decision to take the huge risk to make the fight happen.

 

I forgot about this where Roach publicly pleaded to Hopkins not to fight Pavlik for his health.