Whom of the "Super Six" do you think Pavlik can beat?

We have 17 posters who voted zero. Those votes cannot possibley be based on any kind of logical analysis. I really wish this was a public poll because I could call individual people on their ****. A zero vote implies the followng:

1; Pavlik can't beat Taylor? He already beat him twice in two different divisions. In the second fight he scored a clear UD over Taylor. Hopkins failed at that task twice, and Winky failed as well. Pavlik succeeded.

2: Abraham is a short power puncher with a **** resume', and minimal skills. His technic has worked so far mainly because he fought feather fisted club fighters along with McKart and Joval's left overs. Pavlik's record says guys like that last 6 to 8 rounds, and then never win another significant fight.

3; Ask yourself, "What happens to guys with serious defensive flaws when they fight Pavlik?" Froch is so ****ing easy to hit McKraken expects a written apology for every time you miss him.

4; Dirrel's best win is Oganov. Kelly has several 4 or 5 round knockouts over guys who are better than Oganov.

5; Ward let a seriously faded and damaged Miranda finish on his feet, and that is his best win. There is no reason to believe that a mere prospect is going to do anything against Pavlik other than get knocked the **** out.

7; Kessler would probably win a UD over Pavlik, but he simply isn't all that hard to hit. There is a decent chance Pav would stop him sometime in the last 2 rounds.

 

Hey bro -- I don't think you know all the ESB rules. Rule #1: anyone Pavlik beats gets downgraded to hype-job, or club fighter:yep

 

That doesn't surprise me. Hell, some people described Pavlik as a one-dimensional bum cause he lost to an ATG like Hopkins.

Btw, I think you meant "Taylor can't beat Pavlik" in your previous post's first point.

 

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I was stating the implications of a zero vote. I'd like to know who the 17 guys are who voted that way. There has always been an over abundance of Pavlik haters on ESB, but right now it's ridiculous.

The whole "one dimensional" thing is plain stupid. How many "one dimensional" fighters injured both hands, and still scored a UD over Jermain Taylor?

 

Seven guys who were never stopped before got Pavlikated. Any man with Pavliks resume and an 87% KO ratio has a good chance of knocking out any fighter he can hit flush, and Kessler just ain't that slick.

 

Pavlik beats them all.

 

I know you have a lot of experience in boxing. But your not making sense on Pavlik anymore. In fact you stopped a long time ago. Kelly was dropped in the 1st Taylor fight and came back well. He just won the 2nd fight. He was good then. Since he got "schooled" by Hopkins. Since than he has no confidence and he has dropped off a lot. He rarely fights and has against weaker opposition.

Kelly has no speed but good power. His best attribute is getting his massive body to 160. When hes fighting guys like Kessler who are natural LHW's than that advantage goes. On top of that these guys all have better speed than him apart from Froch. Froch has similar pop in his punches to Pavlik though and he has much better footwork.

I can see Pavlik getting an odd win over maybe Ward or Dirrell. But everyone else on that list will take him to school. A win over Froch could happen. But Abraham especially at 168, especially Kessler, Kessler would simply annihilate him.

Kessler is a bigger faster version of Kelly. With better footwork a better chin and better speed. Kessler would win a one sided fight.

Id tip Andrade against Pavlik aswell and Bika is an even money fight.

Pavlik hasn't impressed more for over a year now.

 

Pavlik is coming up in weight. Froch has a decent chin and will be hitting Pavlik as hard as he has ever been hit. Sure he is clumsy, but he is effective, especially against a guy like Pavlik who isn't the most skilled boxer himself. Close call, probably a war.

AA is also coming up in weight, but he carries excellent power. He can box and he is not open for big shots. If Pavlik's power and continual barrage can overpower AA, he should win, but if not, AA will outbox him and KO Pavlik.

For Dirrel, Pavlik won't be able to outbox him, but he can definitely outpunch him. If he can keep Dirrell defensive then KP should win a UD or a late accumulation KO. [I haven't seen Dirrell, but I have heard that he is a good boxer]

Ward, no idea.

JT lost twice, but it was close. Psychologically, KP should win.

Kessler will be a bit too big and strong for KP in my opinion. He will win by UD, possibly late KO. However, if KP can bring his power to SMW, assuming he can bring his stamina, he might be able to win by late KO. But I sincerely doubt it.

 

Your forgetting that Kessler has one hit, KO power. I could see Pavlik eating the strait right and backing off his agression. Pav vs Kessler would be a great fight to see.

 

Actually you're the one who makes no sense. You hacked on KP for disposing of his mandatory in a glorified sparring session, and for being inactive. Tell me smart guy, why has Pavlik been inactive since February?

 

Errr, how long exactly have you been following boo's posts? It says you joined this forum last month.

You can't say Taylor would take him to school when Pavlik has already beaten JT twice, once by brutal knockout and once by clear UD. And note I was rooting for JT both times.

 

Kelly looked awful against Rubio. How was it a glorified sparring session. When there was a massive crowd and the mainstream boxing fans across the country watching? Like i said. Im a Pavlik fan. And your over rating his ability. And your not being real.

He hasn't fought anyone significant since Hopkins and he has looked bad against those put in front of him. And he hasn't got a fight lined up next, and by the time he does fight we could be in 2010.

 

No -- I didn't forget that Kessler can crack. I just don't think there is much chance of it going that way. It seems like it would be a very good fight. 70/30 kessler UD. 30/70 KP by late stoppage. But, of course there's always a chance that a guy who can probably out jab KP might shut him down and stop him.

 

Can you not see Kessler has every advtanage over Kelly? Because he does. Speed, power, footwork, chin, lateral movement. It isn't going 12 and Pav will be lucky to win a round.