A short (incomplete) history of catchweight fights in boxing

Nallenge . . . say something now.


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Catchweight fights are not very common. And they shouldn't be. I understand Pacman wanting a catchweight for his first fight against a big guy like Oscar, but a year later he should be able to get to the weight he wants to fight, if not go to the lower weights. This catchweight stuff is ridiculous.

 

if cotto agreed lets just enjoy the fight

 

I think some of those greats in your avatar did the same thing once or twice in their careers:good

 

I've been against it from the start for title fights, and still am to be honest.

Some of the examples you posted were to get lightweights to fight welters. There is a catchweight for that now. It's called super lightweight. (or jr welter... )

Same with the super middle division (I think originated for SRL v Lalonde, or at least was the first major fight in that division I can recall), all through the divisions. Any examples drawn from the days where there were only lightweights, welterweights, middles etc aren't relevant to this discussion really.

135 to 147 is a wide range, that allows room for catchweight negotiation.

140 - 147 is a small weight gap as it is, without pruning even more off.


I agree that it's all up to negotiations between the 2 parties, and there are financial penalties in place if Cotto doesn't make weight.

But what happens if Cotto weighs in bang on 147. Is the fight still on??? If not, a welterweight title fight not taking place because the title holder weighs in as a welterweight, is laughable. Another reason the general public would just roll their eyes at it.

Catchweights on occasion are fine, if it's going to get a fight between 2 good fighters to happen. But all the time from the same fighter is ridiculous.

And this is from somebody that likes Pac, as he fights regularly, fights top opponents, and always comes in trying to be spectacular, and put on a good show.

 

Sure Ray Leonard did all that catchweight stuff and I never agreed with it. Hearns never wanted a catchweight, nor did Hagler or Duran. It was all Leonard. Ray was always sneaky. He is the one who started it with Lalonde. And why did he do it? Because that was the only way he could win two titles on one night and beat Hearns to 5 titles in 5 divisions. Yet Hearns beat Kinchen 3 days before and won the WBO title. That was all Leonard and the fact is that when he fought Hearns in 1989, the catchweight was 164. He thought he was going to weaken Tommy by getting him to go to 164-since he heard Tommy was having trouble getting to 168. Hearns weighed in 162 1/2 and Ray weighed in 160. That catchweight backfired on Ray and the fight turned out legit. But you put the thumbs up thing like that calls me out on something. I said in another thread days ago how Ray did this, so I knew it already. It was Ray. Tommy only fought one catchweight fight and it was with Leonard in June of 1989. Ray always wanted an advantage and this supports my claims on catchweight. If a guy does it too much they seem to be using it for an advantage to weaken the other fighter. It seems to hurt more the guy going down in weight than the one moving up. Ray always did those moves. With Hagler in 1987 he wanted 12 rounds and not 15 and smaller gloves. He was a great fighter and he didn't need those advantages, but mentally I suppose he did.

 

Yes it does, actually.

The reason it was done 100 years ago and continues to be done is that there is/was nothing wrong with it.

The people who are suddenly now claiming there is something "wrong" with the whole principle of a catchweight fight are just fabricating an argument out of the blue.

 

wouldnt want to spoil a love in........pac would have been the much bigger man at the lower weights .....did he fight catchweight fights in those fights ???

 

the lalonde fight was a disgrace two weight class belts against a nobody ......is this wat pac will do to win in jr middle and middle next ???

 

Yeah too bad when PAC moved from 106 to 112, 122, 126, 130, 135, 140 he didn't ask catchweight.

Poor Cotto he's being ask to moved down 2 pounds to fight a guy who just had one fight at 140, a carrer 130-lbs fighter, weighing 138 in his last fight to come up for 7 more ****ing pounds so they can fight in a weight that his nutritionist said he can SAFELY make.

That ***** Pacquiao, how dare he demand i move down two lbs and stake my title when ALL im going to get is a carrer-high payday, carrer defining win, guarantee of higher payday for a floodgate of possible matches with Floyd, Shane, new fans, and legacy. HEY PACQUIAO COME UP 9 MORE ****ING POUNDS *****!

 

Oh and one more thing. You are not suppose to comment on my 160 lbs fightnight weight. I ONLY outweight you at 12 lbs, so that is not an important advantage. Remember, i've gone down TWO monstrous lbs in the weigh-in.

Sgd.

Miguel Angel "Warrior" Cotto

 

Nope. Did he need to? once he became too large for that division, he simply moved up and succeeded.

 

didnt respond to whether he outweighed his early competitors by similar amounts on fight night did you ??

 

Will Cotto be fined if he ever weighs 146 or 147 on weigh in? (just askin)

Coz if there will be no fines, maybe he would weight 147 on weigh in.....