Why does everyone keep moaning about Haye not proving himself at heavyweight?

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  1. 'Ben'

    'Ben' Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Nobody said anything about De la Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquaio, Jones Jr. or even Hatton or Calzaghe when they stepped up weight divisions fighting the then champions, right away without proving themselves at that weight first, did they?

    So what's the difference between Haye and them? it's not like Haye was some middle of the road cruiserweight fighter was he? he was the undisputed cruiserweight champion of the world! it's not like the heavyweight division is some sacred division anymore is it? so why the double standards when people ***** about Haye fighting one of the title holders right away?:huh
     
  2. trotter

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    It is slightly hypocritical

    But I guess the jump from cruiser to heavy is a bit more significant than, say, Lightweight to Light-Welter... fewer people do it successfully

    Not so sure Haye cleaned up at Cruiser like people make out either
     
  3. kosaros

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    Well for those guys you mentioned, everytime they stepped up they were fighting guys around about 5-10 pounds heavier than them. In Haye's case, against the Klits, Valuev and others, its more like a 50 pound deficit.
     
  4. 'Ben'

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    Well seeing as though most heavyweights nowdays are just fat cruiserweights anyway I think that point of view is flawed. Valuev is a one off freak.... and to some extent so are the Klitschko's.
     
  5. 'Ben'

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    Who didn't Haye beat then? Adamek wasn't even aound then (even though Adanek would be DESTROYED by Haye anyway) I can't think of anyone really?

    But despite this Haye was undisputed champion anyway. Mayweather didn't clear up light welter before moving up to welter nor welter before light middleweight. It's the same in most cases cases like this aswell. They usually only win one world title at the weight and then move up.
     
  6. Lee Mc

    Lee Mc Boxing Addict banned

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    Have people been moaning?

    To be honest I think the only thing that has happened is people have, rightfully, questioned whether a man who has had 3 fights at Heavyweight (Delaney, Bonin and Barrett) should be fighting Valuev or, for that matter, taken seriously as a potential saviour.

    I, personally, have not read anything away from the general forum which has verged on critisim.
     
  7. kosaros

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    But those are the only guys on his radar right now.
     
  8. 'Ben'

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    People have been moaning, yes.... alot actually. Or at least being very critical, which I wouldn't have a problem with if it wasn't for the fact that no other fighter (like the ones I've already mentioned) gets stick for it (or critisised for it either)
     
  9. TFFP

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    Haye wasn't 'undisputed cruiserweight champion', technically. He was a lineal champ and a unified champion but he never won the IBF belt. Traditionally one has to win the big three belts.
     
  10. 'Ben'

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    Yeah, but they are slow and predictable anyway.... what they have in size, Haye makes up for in speed. Either way, that's Hayes problem anyway. This isn't getting spoken about because critics worry that Haye is too small and is at a disadvantage, rather because they feel he has cheated the other so called heavyweight contenders out of their rightful position.
     
  11. 'Ben'

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    That opinion is split. Ask ring magazine and they'll tell you he was undisputed champion. The only reason Haye didn't have the IBF strap to his collection at cruiserweight was because Mormeck gave it up to face Haye rather than Cunningham (the then number one contender) Either way he was the top dog at cruiser by a mile.
     
  12. djoc175

    djoc175 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Technically Haye wasn't undisputed but I think the reality is different.Not sure that Cunningham had a claim to the #1 spot at any point in time.Aside from that,Adamek had done very little at the weight and Jonny Nelson called Haye out:roll:
     
  13. TFFP

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    Opinion isn't split at all. There has only been one way to become undisputed champion and that is own the three major belts. That is black and white. Haye was unlucky he kinda didn't win the belt because of a technicality, but thats boxing, he had the chance to fight for it but decided to move up. It's not decided by what they think at Ring Mag.
     
  14. 'Ben'

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    I think Nelson retired by the time Haye fought for a world title anyway. Nelson also called out Enzo Mac but got injured while in training and retired. Haye vs Nelson was never destined to happen I reckon.
     
  15. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    He might as well have fought Cunningham for all the messing about he's done, fighting Barrett and being inactive.