The 10 best chins in boxing History

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  1. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    This is a nice article I found while surfing the net. Check it out and tell me what you guys think.


    The 10 best chins in boxing history

    A boxer's chin is sometimes his last line of defense. Graham Houston lists 10 fighters with the best whiskers in boxing history.



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    By Graham Houston
    Special to ESPN.com

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    It took a monstrous hook from Sugar Ray Robinson to take Gene Fullmer off of his feet.
    Throughout boxing history there have been some incredibly tough individuals. The "Durable Dane" nickname of old-time lightweight champ Battling Nelson was well-earned, for instance. In a look at the all-time best chins, then, the problem is not which boxers to include but which to leave out. Here, focusing on fighters of the past, is a list of the toughest of the tough. 10. Tommy Farr

    Tough Tommy from Tonpandy, Wales, will forever be remembered for not only lasting the full 15 rounds with Joe Louis but actually giving the Brown Bomber a very good, competitive fight. Farr was stopped five times but three of those losses were earlier in his 126-fight career and two when he was well past his best. The Louis fight was one of the ring's great exhibitions; it showed how to endure under fire and give some back against an all-time great puncher. As James P. Dawson reported in The New York Times: "Farr, though he was beaten last night, battered and bruised and pounded with staggering force at times, won glory in that he attained the unique distinction of surviving 15 rounds against the master puncher of the day."

    9. Gene Fullmer

    The "Mauling Mormon" was stopped only twice, the first time famously when Sugar Ray Robinson hit him with one of the greatest left hooks ever thrown in their middleweight championship rematch. In three other 15-round fights with Robinson, Fullmer took the best punches that the greatest fighter in history could deliver. He was stopped for the second time in his career when, cut and battered, his corner retired him after the seventh round against old rival Dick Tiger in Nigeria, but by that time Fullmer, 32, was at the end of his career. In the third of his four-fight series with Robinson -- a 15-round draw -- The Associated Press reported that Sugar Ray "rattled numerous rights off the granite-like jaw and chin of Fullmer" and that it "seemed impossible for the 29-year-old champion from West Jordan, Utah, to survive the attack." Fullmer did survive, though, and defiantly told the press afterwards: "He never hurt me."

    8. Carmen Basilio


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    Basilio, right, had the ability to walk through extremely hard shots.


    The onion farmer from Syracuse, N.Y., was a tireless aggressor and wicked left-hooker noted for his ruggedness and big heart. His two stoppage defeats came at the end of his career against the bigger, stronger Fullmer, and the rematch was halted mainly because Basilio was badly cut, with the brave warrior furious at the referee for stopping the fight. Basilio withstood some tremendous blows from Tony DeMarco in their two welterweight championship wars. When he narrowly defeated Robinson in the first of their two epic fights The Associated Press reported that Basilio "shook off punches that would have knocked down a horse."

    7. Jake LaMotta


    Not many fighters, surely, could have withstood the punishment that Jake LaMotta absorbed from Sugar Ray Robinson in their 1951 title fight without going down. Although the Bronx Bull took a terrible beating he was on his feet, bloodied but defiant, at the finish. (In the movie "Raging Bull," Robert DeNiro, as LaMotta, says with hoarse-voiced satisfaction at the end of the fight: "Ray, you couldn't knock me down." It was the sort of comment the real-life LaMotta might have made.) In more than 100 bouts against the best of his era, nobody barred, LaMotta was stopped just four times -- by Robinson, the notorious fixed fight against Billy Fox, and twice as a light heavyweight when he was largely a spent force -- but he was never counted out.

    6. Kid Gavilan


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    In 143 fights, Kid Gavilan, left, was never stopped.


    The Cuban Hawk was never stopped in 143 fights -- although he suffered a couple of knockdowns, one coming in his welterweight title fight with Basilio when he was nailed by a left hook that might have knocked out most 147-pounders. Gavilan is the fourth boxer on the list to have fought Robinson. When Gavilan gave Sugar Ray an excellent fight for the welterweight title, James P. Dawson reported in The New York Times that "the Cuban has more endurance, determination and fearlessness than any other in Robinson's limited field of challengers."

    5. Carlos Monzon


    Argentina's Carlos Monzon lost three fights out of 100, all on points, and although knocked down by the fine Colombian middleweight Rodrigo Valdes, he got up to win and retired afterwards as unbeaten and the undisputed 160-pound champion. I was lucky enough to have been able to cover several of Monzon's European fights from ringside, including his 1975 title defense against Gratien Tonna in Paris when the rather crude but muscular French boxer landed a tremendous left hook early in the fight -- and Monzon never went anywhere. After this, the will to fight seemed to drain from Tonna, who essentially surrendered in the fifth.

    4. George Chuvalo


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    George Chuvalo, left, took shots from some of the hardest hitting heavyweights in boxing history -- including George Foreman, right -- and never went down.


    No list of best chins could be complete, in my view, without mention of Canadian heavyweight ironman George Chuvalo, who twice went the distance with Muhammad Ali and was never dropped in 93 fights. (When Chuvalo was stopped by Joe Frazier he suffered a fractured cheekbone, and he remained on his feet while being overwhelmed by George Foreman.) Chuvalo outlasted the very hard-hitting Jerry Quarry in a seven-round war. In an interview for Boxing Monthly in 1998, Chuvalo told me that although known mostly for being able to absorb punches, he felt he could box a bit, too. "If I got hit with one-tenth of the punches that I was reputed to have been hit with, I wouldn't be able to talk to you," he said. "I'd always say: 'On the right night, I'd beat anybody.' Maybe if they had 100-round fights I would have."

    3. Rocky Marciano

    Rocky Marciano's ability to take punishment and keep coming is the stuff of legend. He was dropped twice in his 49 fights (all of which were victories), coming back to knock out wonderful sharpshooters Jersey Joe Walcott and Archie Moore. Although the great Ezzard Charles bloodied Marciano in each of their two fights he could not stop the Rock's relentless advances. Marciano simply seemed unstoppable in these fights. As observed by writer Ed Fitzgerald in the January 1953 edition of Sport magazine: "You can, as with an enraged grizzly bear, slow him down and make him shake his head if you hit him hard enough to wound him, but you can't make him back up."

    2. Harry Greb


    The old "Human Windmill" was as tough as they come. In 240 bouts he was stopped only twice, once when he was outweighed, then when he suffered a broken arm. Those losses came in the first two years of his 13-year career. A great middleweight champion, he fought the best of his era including top-caliber light heavyweights, notably Gene Tunney (later to become heavyweight champion) and Tommy Loughran. Astonishingly, Greb fought the last several years of his career while blind in the right eye, the general consensus being that he had been thumbed in the eye in a 1921 contest.

    1. Marvelous Marvin Hagler


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    Only Juan Roldan, right, could take Marvin Hagler off his feet -- and it was more of a slip than a knockdown.


    In a list of really, really tough guys, Hagler has to be right up there. He was only dropped once, and that was an off-balance flooring against Argentina's rough and rugged Juan Domingo Roldan, whom he otherwise outclassed. Hagler stood up to the best punches of John Mugabi, one of the biggest hitters of the 1980s. What puts Hagler at the top of the list, in my view, is the way he took some tremendous punches from Thomas Hearns in their epic three-round war. I doubt very many middleweights could have weathered the Hearns firestorm that night, but Hagler did, and he came back with an even more withering barrage of his own. What a chin -- what a fighter.
     
  2. McGrain

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    Decent list.

    Jack Britton and Dick Tiger should both be on there. LaMotta would be my pick for #1.
     
  3. Da Chin Chekka

    Da Chin Chekka Chi-Town!!! Full Member

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    I can't argue with that.
     
  4. PunchOut

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    JC CHAVEZ .... the guy NEVER get KO in his prime ... his first hit to the canvas was in the 88 fight against the surgeon Randall ...
     
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    PunchOut Active Member Full Member

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    WOW, who is the girl in your avatar????
     
  6. hmm

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    hmm says.... nice... classic list.

    Lamotta is up there but I haven't seen too many fights of him that make me think he's #1 even though he's a RAB SOB.
    should compile one for this generation.
     
  7. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thats Coco austin
     
  8. mgdb26

    mgdb26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah there is no way in hell Chavez should not be top 3 much less not in the top ten.
     
  9. Brickhaus

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    At least a mention of McCall would have been nice. Marion Wilson is another make probably worth mentioning, although he wasn't exactly the same level of fighter as the other guys.
     
  10. Da Chin Chekka

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    It would be nice to have one for this generation:yep
     
  11. Brickhaus

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    From a few months ago, my top 10 current chins of active fighters. FWIW, forgot that Vitali Klitschko had unretired, and he would probably be in the middle of the list.

    http://www.badlefthook.com/2009/4/5/821292/best-chins-in-boxing

    (Keep in mind this is from April)

    1. Glen Johnson - As far as I can tell, Johnson hasn't been knocked down in his career. His style isn't exactly one that's conducive to not getting hit - he comes forward and throws punches in bunches, and while he does have a bit of underrated slickness, he's still a guy who's more than willing to take one right on the chin to get off two punches of his own. And it's not like he's faced small punchers. He got his butt kicked badly by Bernard Hopkins back when they were middleweights, yet managed to not go down. He went toe to toe with Chad Dawson at 175 in a fight that many thought he won (I had it a draw), and wasn't even wobbled by some massive blows. He's also faced, and I don't remember him ever being hurt by, some other decent punchers like Tarver, Woods, JG Gonzalez and Jones Jr. For me, Johnson takes the current Iron Beard Award.

    2. Arthur Abraham - Abraham reputedly has never been down in his career, either as an amateur or a pro. While his turtle shell defensive style means that he's not going to get his square on the chin all that frequently, it still has happened quite a bit, and sometimes at the hands of some pretty big punchers. Abraham has a titanium jaw - literally. In their first fight, Edison Miranda broke his jaw early in the fight, and somehow Abraham managed to never go down. You know you're good at staying on your feet when your jaw gets broken before you get knocked down. The main reason he's not #1 is that his beard isn't that well tested other than against Miranda. He could still jump to #1 if he faces off against Pavlik and weathers the storm without getting hurt.

    3. Ben Tackie - Sometimes you hear about a guy who trainers love because they know that the fighter will give their prospect a solid 10 rounds of action, so they can test their stamina. Tackie is prototypical of that guy right now. Down only once in his career, he's faced off against many of the best at 140 over the past 10 years, including Kostya Tszyu, Ricky Hatton, Kendall Holt, Sharmba Mitchell and John John Molina. He's also moved up to 147 a number of times, never really getting hurt. Like Johnson, his style isn't particularly cute, and he does get nailed on the chin, yet he's almost always able to take it, and he generally provides a rugged test for entry into the elite of the division.

    4. Librado Andrade - Though Andrade's been down twice in his career (both flash knockdowns, against Yusef Mack and Lucian Bute), there's a pretty good argument for Andrade being number 1. Unlike the other guys, the majority of his defense consists of him blocking punches with his face. Some guys are willing to take a punch to get off two, Andrade's willing to take two to get off one. Most of the time, the result of a punch on Andrade is the same - it just bounces off his head, with no apparent damage, Andrade not even thinking twice about moving forward.

    5. Carlos Baldomir - Baldomir is very similar to Andrade, but he's been hurt a bit more than Andrade, so he's a spot lower. Baldomir has faced a number of good to decent punchers over the years without getting phased - Floyd Mayweather (who absolutely creamed Baldomir, with no discernable effect on Baldomir), Zab Judah, Joshua Clottey, Sugar Jackson and Arturo Gatti. Baldomir even managed to beat a few of them without having much of a semblance of boxing skill or handspeed, simply because the punches that hit him didn't hurt him, and he had the heart to keep moving forward and keep firing away on his opponent. While Baldomir is nearing the end of his career, his chin will still make him somewhat special.

    6. Stevie Forbes - Initially, I had Forbes ranked higher, but I've been convinced that he should be lower due to his slick style. Forbes has been operating all the way from 130 to 150, and despite facing a number of guys much bigger and more powerful than he is, he's managed to never go down in his career. While he's never faced THE biggest punchers, he's managed to fight Oscar De La Hoya, Andre Berto, El Famoso, Yodsanan Sor Nanthachai, among others, and come out unscathed.

    7. Bernard Hopkins - Hopkins has only been down twice in his career, and both knockdowns were in the same fight against Segundo Mercado. While he's good at making people miss or at least not land cleanly, even those who have generally have not been able to hurt him. On top of that, he's a fighter that often leads with his head, and that's just not something you can get away with if you have a shaky chin, or else it makes it easier for your opponent to knock you out. Hopkins has fought Jones Jr., Tarver, Johnson, Pavlik, Tito, and Taylor without getting hurt. One thing that does hurt his legacy, however, is that he never really faced the best (or the biggest punchers) at 160 after he got whooped by Roy Jones. For almost 10 years, he pulled a Calzaghe, facing mandatories and mediocre optionals, and even when he finally stepped it up against Trinidad, he was facing a blown up welterweight who had left most of his power in the lower weight classes.

    8. Shane Mosley - Mosley's worked his way up from a natural 135 all the way to 154, and has really only been hurt once in his career (the second round of the first Forrest fight). While Mosley has good defense when he fights smart, he's never been one to let his head get in the way of a good brawl, and despite usually being the naturally smaller man, he's been able to take the best that a number of powerful punchers had to offer and keep on coming. Cotto, Winky, De La Hoya, Mayorga, Vargas, Leija and Molina were never able to get him to back down. While he is a great boxer all the way around, I feel like his chin is a criminally underrated part of his arsenal.

    9. Tomasz Adamek - Yes, Adamek has been buzzed a couple times in his career, but especially lately, he's shown a ton of composure when getting nailed with bombs. A natural light heavyweight, he's moved up and taken the best that O'Neil Bell (a huge puncher for a cruiserweight, in my opinion), Steve Cunningham and Johnothan Banks have had to offer. Also, he took a beating from Chad Dawson without getting hurt. He was buzzed a few times by Paul Briggs in some absolute wars, but he was badly out of position when it happened, and really didn't see those punches coming.

    10. Jeff Lacy - While Lacy hasn't turned out to be what a lot of people thought he would be, he's just taken a ton of punishment over the past few years and never seems to have been hurt. Joe Calzaghe isn't the biggest puncher in the world, but he's strong enough to do a bit of damage, just not enough to deter Lacy, who seems like he ate about 80 punches a round that fight. Taylor laid into him without hurting him. Epifanio Mendoza, a big puncher, was able to land clean just barely buzzing him. Now, it seems like he's moving up to 175, where he'll have more of an opportunity to have his chin tested. While he no longer looks like a legitimate contender, he could still carve out a good career as a Ben Tackie type, if that's what he desires to do.
     
  12. hmm

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    hmm says... is this your site?

    if so that's a pretty badass list. I can barely argue with it :good
    props to ya
    The analysis is there... proof is with Clottey and his turtle/peek-a-boo defense when he got caught off guard with a jab from Cotto.
     
  13. Brickhaus

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    You coulda been a contenda:



    Oliver McCall is legendary for his chin. In the second Lennox Lewis fight, he just broke down and started crying in the middle of the ring, apparently because he was going through some kind of drug withdrawal. With McCall's hands down, Lewis was able to land a few huge free shots, and McCall didn't even budge. He still hasn't been down in his career, although he's at the very end of it now and hasn't been in a major fight in a while. All time, he's way near the top, but I excluded him from this list considering where he is in his career.



    James Toney has rarely been hurt in his career, despite moving from middleweight to heavyweight, in part because of his chin and in part because of his slick defense. At this point, he's been hurt in several recent fights, and 75+ fights plus thousands of hours of sparring have taken their toll on Toney.



    Carl Froch could wind up on the list soon, but his chin hasn't really been tested that solidly yet. To the best of my knowledge, he has yet to be hurt, and wasn't really hurt as an amateur either.



    Joshua Clottey could make the list as well, but he has a lot of the same problems as Margarito - he's just usually the bigger man, but unlike Margarito, his chin is less tested because of his turtle shell defense. If he takes some clean shots from Cotto, he could move up and onto the list.



    Sam Peter had a fantastic chin not that long ago, but his heart just isn't in it anymore. He got caught three times by McCline, and while he was able to take most of Vitali's punches, he just didn't have the will to continue.



    Antonio Margarito has a solid chin, but that he had a granite chin is somewhat of a myth. Cintron never landed many good shots on him, and Clottey's power is overrated (as it usually is for muscular guys). He's been knocked down about 6 times in his career now, and Mosley really brutally knocked him down. When he was at 154, he got wobbled on a fairly regular basis. He's close to the list, but just not quite there - I feel like to have an elite chin, you need to be able to carry it up when you face bigger opposition, and as a welterweight, he was usually the bigger man. Also, frankly, I'm protesting putting him in the top anything while he's on suspension.



    Antonio Tarver would have been up here a couple years ago, but his chin seems to be fading with his old age. Like Abraham, he had his jaw broken by Harding and just kept on fighting (although he did get dropped late in the fight).



    I can't remember Paul Williams ever being hurt in his career, but other than Margarito, what big puncher has he faced? Maybe his chin gets bumped a notch with the revelation that Margarito was probably loading, but a lot of questions should be answered next week when he faces a true middleweight in Winky Wright.



    Victor Ramirez just won a cruiserweight title much in the same manner than Andrade fights. He hasn't been tested that much, but he was never down when he fought as a heavyweight, and he looked perfectly natural as a cruiserweight, so it's probably safe to say he has a very solid chin. He should be facing Ola Afolabi next, so hopefully it will get tested a bit more.



    Is David Tua even still fighting? I heard he was going to fight Shane Cameron, but last time I heard from him, he was whining about not getting any big money offers. Note to David - you're not going to get any big fights by sitting on your fat ass.
     
  14. hmm

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    hmm says... this thread is bookmarked... good reference.