Hes different. He is faster than Ray, and he uses his speed for power punches, not flashy little combinations that have little effect. If you watch Jones, he often fought guys much bigger than him, but he used single power shots to keep them at distance. Jones handled himself very well against bigger men that put pressure on him and I just dont see Hagler having much success making Jones stop and fight. Jones had problems with guys who had a similar style to his, slick counterpunchers. He ate up pressure fighters like a buzz saw no matter what size they were.
Eerily simular to the Hearns fight. For all of Jones' speed, power, height & Boxing ability do him when a rampaging Hagler comes in, willing to take hard punches to land his own. like Hearns, Marvin WILL eventually get the slugging match he is looking for. Jones' chin holds up for a few rounds, then Hagler will take over. Hagler kayo in about four or five rounds.
I dont understand this thing with Jones getting KO`d in mythical fights all the time... the guy never realistically lost a fight in 50 pro fights, he was barely even run close until the first Tarver fight at age 34/35, then he fell away, just like 95% of fighters that ever lived have fallen away... its called `past prime.` I dont see how a guy that never even fought above MWT that was taken 15 rds by a past prime former LWT in Duran & beaten by a past prime former WWT in Leonard (albeit past his own prime also) is knocking out a bigger, faster, harder punching guy that looked unbeatable for about a decade. Jones by UD.
While Jones middle weight record has only two real names on it a still improving Hopkins and Castro,he was a real talent ,I dont see why people expect Hagler to stop him.Im talking about the Hagler that was in his prime and drew with Antuofermo and took a dec from Duran,the man was a ring mechanic of the first order ,but he wasnt a terrifically concussive puncher ,% stats notwithstanding .Hagler maybe the best 160 pounder of all time, but Jones ,at his best doesnt get kod by him . Because Jones best victories were at higher weights, I give Marvin a slight edge,but this goes all the way ,and Jones has a real shot at a decision,if Hagler is anything less than 100% intense and motivated. I was ringside when Hagler overwhelmed Minter,but before he did Minter rattled him with a couple of shots,and Jones was twice the boxer Minter was ,with far greater handspeed,and more power imo. Jones' chin ,wasnt a problem when he was prime.I really dont see a stoppage .
Some good posts on here regarding this match-up. I don't think Jones would be drawn into a dogfight by Hagler simply because Roy would potshot Hagler and move away, always staying just out of range of Marvin's punches. It doesn't always make for exciting fights but it is tremendously difficult to beat Roy's reflexes, timing and accuracy. Roy keeps Marvin at bay with his super-sharp punches and wins a clear UD.
I voted for Jones but having second thoughts. At 160... I might have to go with Hagler. Anything with Jones being more than that I go with him. Tough one to call. My instincts say Jones but I don't want to doubt Hagler's capabilities at 160.
Prime Jones at MW vs prime Hagler at MW? Was a young Hopkins Roy's best win at MW? I remember a trail of "destruct & destroy" by Hagler at MW. Hagler by k.o. in 10.
I think it's instinctive to think of Hagler v Leonard when matching Hagler up to a speedster. But that just isn't fair to Marv. People forget how fluent and quick he was in 82 / 83 (peak). Apart from beating a young Hopkins in pretty pedestrian fashion, Jones didn't really achieve much in his short time at middle. If you're matching Hagler against a middleweight Jones, then you really have to take the Hagler, let's say who fought Scypion, against the Jones who fought Hopkins. It's Hagler pretty clearly for me. Above 160 is something else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub8-...B58D6B6DE&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=8 Peak Hagler. It's a beautiful thing people !
Vs a Prime Jones (1. Mallinga who beat Benn, also arguably robbed against Benn/Eubank, 2. Wolfe that went 12 with Toney in his prior fight, 3. Tate who went 12 with Julian Jackson) [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63kNg_NkuWk[/YT] [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apXquYrcel4[/YT] [YT]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5d2iWk2Kuo[/YT]
I understand that people think Hopkins was green at that time, but what about Roy? They both were fairly green as professional fighters with Roy having a better amatuer background. Hopkins certainly improved over the course of his career, but I would say Jones did as well. I think the thread said prime for prime, which really would put Jones as a super middle and Marv as a middleweight.
Man Jones is just too big for Hagler. Jones won the heavyweight title for christ's sake could Hagler do that? No he's TOO SMALL.