One misconception about "being the bigger man"

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  1. German Bomber

    German Bomber Don Gore Full Member

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    In another thread it was asked by how many pounds Cotto will outweigh Pacquiao on fight night.

    Some people may believe the heavier fighter on fight night has got the advantage.

    WRONG!!

    The heavier of the two is the one that was the most de-hydrated at the weigh-in. One day simply cannot make up for it.

    The reality of the situation is, all in all, the lighter guy has got the advantage.
     
  2. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    That's not true.
     
  3. German Bomber

    German Bomber Don Gore Full Member

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    Are you sure about that?
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    what you're saying is like suggesting that Cotto would have more success fighting at 154 or 160 since everyone in those weightclasses would be more dehydrated than him. In reality everyone knows Cotto would be too small and probably get beat by fighters who are worse than him, p4p
     
  5. truushot

    truushot Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For some fighters you may be right. You made a blanket statement and that cannot be true. Heavier or Lighter when we are talking about a few pounds really doesn't matter. Natural Quickness, Style and Punching power are much more important in any contest.

    Yes hydration is important, but it is only one factor among many that determine the outcome of a fight.
     
  6. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    Tell that to Gamache
     
  7. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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    interesting point
     
  8. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Yes.

    Just because someone cut more weight doesn't mean they were more dehyrated (as in weaker) unless you are referring to actually dehydration they go through.



    And even at that.

    DLH weighed more at the weigh in but Pac weighed more than DLH come fight time.
     
  9. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cutting weight through drying out can be a great advantage for a fighter with one particular body type. Very lean/muscular fighters can benefit greatly from this. I was Kermit Cintrons strength and conditioning coach for his first 25 fights. I will use his fight with Teddy Reid as an example. I am a strong proponent of weight training for fighters. I like my fighters to be as lean, muscular, and strong as possible. Kermit was my best work. Kermits weight training routine was geared around the basic lifts. Bench, squat, deadlift, militarty press, and chinups. I drastically reduce the weight training four weeks out from the fight, and stop all weight training 3 weeks out from the fight. At 3 weeks out from the fight Kermit weighed 168 lbs. His bench was 255 for 5 reps, squat 365 for 5 reps, deadlift 405 for 5 reps, military pressed 90lb bumbbells from 5 reps, and did 5 chinups with 90lb weight vest. His bodyfat measured in at 3.8%. We did not begin the weight loss until 7 days out from the fight. Kermit ate 3 meals a day up until 2 days b4 weigh in, but only drank with breakfast. The 2 days before weighin he ate only breakfast and had a gatorade. The day before the weighin and day of he didn't eat or drink anything. He came in under 147. By the time he got in the ring he was back up to 164. The key to this being that Kermi was so muscular that it was effortless for him to lose th water weight, and still nourish his body with solid food. The key was Kermit was not at that depleted state/weight for very long so it never had an affect on his ability to perform. This also helped carb deplete him, and of course once he made weight his body absorbed carbs and liquid like a sponge. This process does not work for guys that carry alot of bodyfat.
     
  10. mughalmirza786

    mughalmirza786 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto is naturally much bigger than pacquiao. In my opinion its what makes the fight interesting.
     
  11. nickfoxx

    nickfoxx On The Nod Full Member

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    i found this account fascinating... can you explain more about the cutting fluids while continuing to eat solid food part? in a nutrition sense
     
  12. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    WIth a very lean and muscular guy like Kermit was when I was with him... all his weight loss was from fluid loss. Most of the water in our bodies is stored in the muscle tissue. The more muscular a guy is the easier the weight loss process is, and it allows you to take the weight off at the very last minute so your fighter spends as little time as possible in that depleted state. As for th food. Strictly protein. That allows for carb/glycogen depletion. The reason for this is so that when carbs and glycogen are reintroduced to the body it sucks them up like a sponge. Basically your body over compensates becasue you have for a short time tricked it into thinking it was starving.