Mayweather-Pacquiao...common opponents...

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  1. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    Oscar lost a split decision to Floyd.... many say could it easily have easily been the other way around since it was a close fight on the scorecards. I thought Oscar won but like i said it was close.

    Hatton lost to Floyd by late rounds stoppage,but ate plenty of shots early that he had no trouble dealing with. Floyd got hit a bit himself in those early rounds,although he still won every round.

    After watching these fights a number of times i have come to the simple conclusion that Manny is stronger than Floyd. Manny was also the better faster stronger fighter than ODH and Hatton and both those fighters gave Floyd some trouble.

    If Oscar had such a close fight with Floyd, and was a complete shutout against Manny (who TKo'd him).it seems logical (on paper at least) that Floyd would be in deep trouble with Manny when the bell rings.


    There will be those who say that Oscar was weight drained against manny.....and that even may have some merit to it after 3 or 4 rounds perhaps....,so if thats all that you can come up with go right ahead,but whats the reason for the far supiorior display by Manny vs Ricky than Floyd had against Ricky?

    So for my money, Manny showed far more against those two common opponents than Floyd did,and If they were to sign up to have a Pacman vs Floyd fight tomorrow then id pick Manny to win that fight handily.:deal
     
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  2. Scorpion

    Scorpion Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather won clearly man. The SD was bull
     
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  3. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you already lost all credibility in your first sentence.
     
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  4. Maelstrom

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    Floyd is stronger and more skilled.Put Manny in with Oscar at 154 and he'd get stomped.

    Mayweather doesn't care how much his opponents weigh in the ring.:deal

    Manny doesn't have the skills not to care.:deal:deal:deal
     
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  5. nickfoxx

    nickfoxx On The Nod Full Member

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    no offense but this is really horrible analysis
    it's like elementary school analysis: "floyd beat ricky in 10 and pac beat him in 2 therefore pac is going to beat floyd"

    btw i wouldnt call pac's performance over ricky a "far superior display", fighters have different personal styles, just because one guy beat another guy faster doesn't mean a goddamned thing... if it means anything, it suggests hatton was more shot when he fought pac than when he fought floyd (i'm not saying that he was, i'm saying that that is the more logical conclusion than therefore pac is 8 rounds better than floyd)
     
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  6. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    Well maybe my reasoning has to do with expecting more from Mayweather at the time. I wasn't sitting down scoring the fight like a judge at ringside but i did not see it as a one sided fight all things considered.
     
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  7. boxbox

    boxbox Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Manny is a great fighter. But dont get carried away too much. Different fighters make for different results, but doesnt mean one is better than the other until both fighters actually faced each other.
     
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  8. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    When De La Hoya fought Mayweather he was his best weight 154. When he fought Pacquiao he was weight drained.
    When Hatton fought Mayweather he was undefeted and a two division champion. When he fought Pacquiao he had been ko'd once before and was infact the smaller man.
     
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  9. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One of these days I'm going to have to sit through that damn thing again just to figure how the HELL people actually scored it a win for Oscar.
     
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  10. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    Emmanuel Dapidran will be dealing with the type of fighter who refuses to lose while Floyd will be facing a style similiar to two southpaws that he has faced. Common opponents mean nothing. Ask Foreman how Frazier and Norton helped him beat Ali-wait, Foreman didn't beat Ali now did he?:huh
     
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  11. NALLEGE

    NALLEGE Loyal Member banned

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    No, Dlh gave a good account of himself, but Dlh lost, and he lost by more than a SD.
     
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  12. stormy

    stormy Live and Learn Full Member

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    No offense taken.
    Im not saying the faster stoppage represents the better fighter. The theory involves more the way both fighters handled common opponents. Of course style enters into the picture and can have a adverse effect on an outcome.

    I am talking of the boxing from a defensive/aggressive standpoint.If it sounds like a simple analysis... it is.That dont mean it is right or wrong,just limited to a one aspect that i see as worth discussion.
     
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  13. CarlesX7

    CarlesX7 Shit got real! Full Member

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    One can't make valid conclusions just by checking out the common opponents. The time each fighter faced them plays a big role and of course styles make fights. Hell, some fighters aren't even the same after just one bad loss. So it's possible that a fighter beats a second one by a 10th round TKO, and the second fighter would lose to a third one in his very next fight by KO 1. That doesn't mean the third fighter is better than the first one. You could argue that the third one "handled the second one better", but in that fight the second one could be a shell of his former self.
     
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  14. rccwilliams

    rccwilliams Sippin' on some sizzurp Full Member

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    This.

    And this.
     
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  15. NALLEGE

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    Exactly... Foreman tko'd Frazier and Norton, and Ali ko'd Foreman...
     
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