Mayweather-Pacquiao...common opponents...

to sum this thread up how about this

margaito beat cotto beat shane beat margarito
jermain taylor beat b hop beat pavlik beat jermain taylor

could do this for a while

 

Great post
Why is so hard for people to understand this though?

 

It's not wrong to think or look at it the way you did, since fighters have won in both situations. I just think that when talking about Pac and Floyd, common opponents means squat.

 

:good

 

Yep. One can't draw safe conclusions based on results like these.

 

I didn't mean that directly towards you. I'm hopping around threads and the common factor in many threads in the inability to understand what Walk With Me sums up in his post above. It's the styles of the fighters you have to consider, the weights in which they fight and how fighters handle that weight, and the condition of those similar opponents. It is not so black and white as saying they fought the same opponents and one beat them faster.

 

Floyd handled them BEFORE Fanny Pac.

Will make a big deal out of it when Floyd KO's JMM and Fanny couldn't??:think

 

That sounds very similar, though not as terrible, as the talks before Foreman/Ali.

Foreman literally destroyed Frazier and Norton and made them look like they are bums with the way he overpowered them quickly and took them out. As you know, Ali lost to Frazier and Norton yet went in there and outlasted/destroyed Foreman.

Styles make fights and how Pac beat these guys means nothing when we're discussing a fight with Mayweather who's style is totally different than Hatton and DLH. Each style has it's own way in scoring victories.

Another good example is how Duran beat Leonard the first time in a tough close battle, I know Leonard chose to go toe to toe rather than fight HIS type of fight and lost in a close decision, still it went the distance. What did Hearns do to Duran?, he made Duran look like a tune-up with the way he destroyed him yet Hearns fell short and got TKO'd against Leonard.

There are FAR more similar examples but I'm using those two as they are the most popular. Another recent good one is how Pavlik defeated Taylor twice after Taylor defeated Hopkins twice yet Hopkins challenges Pavlik and wins in one sided fashion.

 

When hatton fought PBF he was moving up a division. When Pac fought him, he was at his most comfortable weight and at the division he where no one defeated him. Hatton the smaller man???atsch

 

Both had the crab style at times, but both fought Foreman the same way...dumb. Ali was a thinking man's fighter, and that is why he stopped Foreman. The underlined...lol, now that's funny lol.

 

Hatton thought Floyd was weak, and he thought wrong. That is the chance Hatton took-no catch weight fights against Floyd or Collazo.