KO12 Kostya Tszyu, KO4 Jose Luis Castillo

Stfu & gtfo.

 

LOL!! You picked Hatton to beat Zoo eh? Was that pick made BEFORE the fight or after??:huh


BTW how is getting KO'd in the 10th a "worse result" than getting knocked out late FFS?

You can put all the twisted, negative spin you like on Hattons career but most fair minded people can see it for what it is. A decent, but not great, world class career (Beeston summed up it up fairly on the last page).

 

Bearing in mind that he was a 1-3 favourite I'd say yeah he was and a lot of people picked him to do it early. Warren didn't want the fight, Hatton had to pull rank and say I want it or I'm leaving you.

There is only Hatton who could get stick for wanting to fight the very best, creme de la creme fighters out there and have people saying he should have fought a solid, b-level fighter instead (on the Malignaggi/Collazo level) solely due to the fact that he is British. Bottom line Hatton shot for the absolute elite. Anyone attempting to criticise him for that is Betty Swollocks intellect in my book. Why don't we have all the best British fighters in a round-robin tournament with each other, okay so none of them would test themselves at top level but at least they'd satisfy some muppet haters. Or not, as true boxing fans know the haters would soon find another shitty stick to beat the fighter with.

 

that's right.
he was basically overrrated as **** by most Brits...fooled by the charade.

 

Ok listen mate.

You hate him....very good,we all have our opinions but to mention 'avoiding' Carlos Baldomir in attempt to write off his career is just plain silly and ******ed.

Most Hatton fans who post here are very realistic and honest when discussing Hatton.

Good World Operator who relied on stength and heart to grind down opponents. He could box at times but not to the level required to make him elite.
As far as British fighters go...he IS a modern day great

 

nearly forgot,

thankyou bye bye

 

Indeed. I think whatever Betty's got must be catching like swine flu. Either that or he's smoking something he shouldn't be :rasta

It is interesting that this list of fighters Hatton "failed to fail" includes only 3 who have been in his weight class for any period of time whilst he was world rated. Of those, one of them (Bradley) has only been a factor for the last 12 months and another (Alexander) has only been a factor for 4 days (arguably if that as the circumstances of Witter quitting meant it was not the most satisfactory of endings).

 

I am sure the guy who has accused Hatton of ducking Casamayor would accuse him of beating up on an old, shot fighter, had they met at any time in the past two years..... exposed by Santa Cruz, beaten by Corrales..... :-(

 

Indeed. Let's do a similar list for, say, Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather, two of the greatest fighters of the modern era.

Fighters Jones never faced (off the top of my head): Gerald McClellan, Michael Nunn, Steve Collins, Frankie Liles, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins, Julian Jackson, Dariusz Michalczewski, Vassiliy Jirov, Juan Carlos Gomez, Lennox Lewis (after all he dipped his toe into heavyweight once).

Fighters Mayweather never facedagain off the top of my head) Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas, Juan Diaz, JM Marquez, Kostya Tszyu, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Daniel Santos, Cory Spinks, Joshua Clottey.

This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could come up with double that for each if I actually took more than 30 seconds to think about it. What a pair of good for nothing duckers hey?

Hmmm.... actually... maybe not!

Bottom line there are about 15 fighters in each weight class at any one time who are reasonably considered world class by one ranking body or other. Add the weight classes above and below and that's 45. Over a 4-5 year period fighting at world level bearing in mind the rate fighters come and go from the rankings, that's circa 90 world class fighters who will have been in the rankings at some point. And some idiots think picking 10 or so out of that list proves something? World class fighters these days fight 3 times a year at most. I could play down any single fighter's record in this manner if I put my mind to it. I don't because I'm not a jealous, bitter hater looking to twist facts to suit my irrational preconceived agenda.

 

I agree that he spanked and made very light work of JLC, buthe certainly didn't spank Tyszu... I don't think that Hatton started to pull away in that contest until the 8th round....

I think that Ricky was very busy and for me that is where Ricky Hatton peaked......Kostya Tyszu was very conservative but highly accurate with his punches....:bbb

Hatton has not performed or will perform like that again IMHO......what made that win even more of an achievement was to retire Tyszu on his stool.......:yep

I want Ricky Hatton to retire...:good

 

Ive said it many a time that he was a world average operator.........I wasnt on the board when Hatton defeated Kostya..........the mayweather result was worse than id imagine it to be i actually thought hatton could at least get to more than did and eventually the ref would stop it late.......not knocked out cold in the 10th after being tagged all night long.

Im not biased against his carrer at all.......i actually think he is on the same level as Calzaghe but had to go up against fighters who were really top notch and in there prime whereas Joe faced one top level potential great fighter in Kessler in his prime.

 

[quote="TKO";4652490]Indeed. Let's do a similar list for, say, Roy Jones and Floyd Mayweather, two of the greatest fighters of the modern era.

Fighters Jones never faced (off the top of my head): Gerald McClellan, Michael Nunn, Steve Collins, Frankie Liles, Chris Eubank, Nigel Benn, Steve Collins, Julian Jackson, Dariusz Michalczewski, Vassiliy Jirov, Juan Carlos Gomez, Lennox Lewis (after all he dipped his toe into heavyweight once).

Fighters Mayweather never facedagain off the top of my head) Joel Casamayor, Acelino Freitas, Juan Diaz, JM Marquez, Kostya Tszyu, Miguel Cotto, Shane Mosley, Paul Williams, Antonio Margarito, Daniel Santos, Cory Spinks, Joshua Clottey.

This is just off the top of my head, I'm sure I could come up with double that for each if I actually took more than 30 seconds to think about it. What a pair of good for nothing duckers hey?

Hmmm.... actually... maybe not!

Bottom line there are about 15 fighters in each weight class at any one time who are reasonably considered world class by one ranking body or other. Add the weight classes above and below and that's 45. Over a 4-5 year period fighting at world level bearing in mind the rate fighters come and go from the rankings, that's circa 90 world class fighters who will have been in the rankings at some point. And some idiots think picking 10 or so out of that list proves something? World class fighters these days fight 3 times a year at most. I could play down any single fighter's record in this manner if I put my mind to it. I don't because I'm not a jealous, bitter hater looking to twist facts to suit my irrational preconceived agenda.[/quote]


Who said Jones and Mayweather are the greatest? lol to funnyyyyyyy..........ive siad in previous posts that mayweather is just as guilty of picking and choosing u plank. Also Ive said previously that Pacman is making Mayweather look very ordinary considering the guy fighting far above his natural weight.

Lets get right down to it........greatness should be only for the very very elite...........fighters that are literally in the top 50 etc.

Jones was a very good fighter but deffo ducked so many guys...........its not even funny.......BUT he is still far better head to head, pound for pound, and accomplishments than mr hatton ever is.

True greats - L.Lewis, Ali, SRRobinson, SRLeonard, P. Whitaker, Hagler, J. Louis, Monzon, Duran, Hears, Pryor, Tyson etc etc

 

rumour has it that Hatton might fight Humberto Soto as he is a reigining world champ right guys? Come on a peak fighter who happens to be a champ......yeah thats it.........we can advertise as Hatton beating his 330th champion..........yeah brilliant isnt it

 

Nobody said they were the greatest but I doubt you would get too much resistance to the idea of them both as all-time greats and two of the best of the last 15-20 years. And yet you can make a list exactly the same of the fighters they never fought. This is simply an example, I guarantee you I can do it for pretty well any fighter of the same period. The point, which seems to have escaped your intellect is that bearing in mind (as per my post above) the number of world class fighters in and around a fighter's weight class, picking out the ones they didn't fight is not exactly a difficult task. You could quite easily do it for Pacman as well (Soto, Guzman, Valero, Casamayor, Campbell, Juan Diaz, Bradley, Witter etc... just as a basic starting point sure there are far more from his flyweight/super bantam days).

Your comments re: Jones having a far better career than Hatton and re: greatness being only for the true cream of the crop are accurate, but they are also completely irrelevant to this discussion. And for all your meaningless analogies about charades or smoke and mirrors (which are straight out of the Betty school), I would rather stick to the hard truth.

Which is that Ricky Hatton has had a good career in which he has beaten two p4p ranked fighters, a number of other good beltholder/top ten level fighters, been widely accepted as the top guy in his division for 4 years and lost only to two bona fide all-time greats. That, in my view, means he has had a very good career. Better than all British fighters of my generation with the exceptions of Lennox Lewis, Joe Calzaghe, Naseem Hamed and Nigel Benn (possibly Eubank as well but his top performances on some good nights were interspersed with far too many sleepwalking shows against average fighters).

This means he has had a career which he can be proud of. He has been a better fighter and fought better opposition than 99% of British fighters of the same era. He is one of the greatest British fighters of the last 20 years and has had a pretty good record by anyone's standards. Of course he's not going to go down as a legend or an all time great but he was far better than your run-of-the-mill beltholder type and I wouldn't be amazed if he managed to sneak into the hall of fame.

That is all.

 

You say you are not biased against his career and then come out with something like this? You then wonder why you lack credibility on this board? Utter tripe I would say. Nice avatar and that's about it.