Better Boxing Skills - Pacquiao Or Cotto?

Discpline can't be taught, but that also doesnt make it a skill. Timing and things of that nature can be.

And no. He didn't have great reflexes. When the **** have you seen B-Hop display or ever be touted for having great reflexes? :huh

The only thing that you have an argument for is ring intellect...which is plainly skill.

The guy takes what boxing fundamentals he has and uses it wisely in the ring to pull out the W.


I think what this thread needs is a clear criteria between skill and natural ability.


Skill is boxing knowledge and fundamentals 101.

Natural ability is speed, power, and reflex. These are aspects that CANNOT be learned or developed. You either got it or you don't.

Pacquiao's abilities as a boxer solely rely on his natural abilities. This is proven through his younger days as a raw fighter with much success. It is only until Roach came along did he pick up some skill. But I think people are overrating his skills a bit now. We witness some head movement and new punches and foot work and all of a sudden he's a ****in' boxing genius.

But if you look at his basic fundamentals, theyre simply NOT there. Weak jab. Off balance. Can't fight backwards. Loopy punches. No inside game. Can't cut off a ring.

But it's his SUPER natural ability and the limited boxing skill that make me a beast.

 

Im not debating this until you read through Chimba's previous posts.

Otherwise stay out of a debate you know nothing about.

 

Got to go with Pac on this.

If he doesn't have good boxing skills . . . he wouldn't be succesful fighting at the higher weight. He just kept on improving on every fight.

 

Dunno about that.

I thought that that was one of his best attributes, as a raw, young fighter.

He always had great killer's instinct, he knew how to stalk and cut off his opponent and rain a blizzard of punches on them until they gave up.

And his 1-2's are textbook. No one can deny that.

Yeah, his flurries look amateurish though. (but effective)

And I noticed that in the last few fights, Roach dialed down MP's come forward approach and non stop offense, and made him more in control and lunge less/overreach his punches less, and have better balance than before.

 

I think the plaster made him clueless. Any attempt to belittle Cotto by bringing up the Margo loss is questionable, dubious, and has to be put into the proper perspective. And, who honestly believes that Pacquiao would own guys like Margo and Clottey? Honestly. I am in no way saying that Pacquiao has less skills than Margo and Clottey, in fact he has tons more but thats not the issue here. Size is. Why did Roy Jones JR shy away from defending against Vitali? Skills, energy, and talent can only take you so far when you are massively outrsized and outweighed by your opponent.

 

cotto, imo, has the better boxing skills.

manny relies heavily on his natural abilities, i.e. his handspeed, footspeed, and punching power. he obviously has boxing skill, but he works better as a pressure fighter/counter puncher.

cotto showed us in his last few fights that he can work on the outside and box someones ears off.

 

hmm says. . . I'm laughing at some of these damn comments.

 

Anyone that says Pac, I wanna have what you are smoking....

 

i can see where theyre coming from. he looked like floyd mayweather in his last 2 fights, slipping punches, moving in and out, and potshotting. but he put on thse displays against an aged, drained de la hoya, and a heavily overrated, come forward with no jab hatton.

 

Apparently its the latest craze on the market right now man. Considering 73 other baffoons went with Pac.

 

Cotto.

Pac relies a lot on God given talent to get it done. What happens when you take that away? Cotto is very polished and fundamentally sound.

 

Pac has better skills... if Cotto is more skillfull he should be fighting Pavlik at middleweight and not Pac who is a bloated lightweight.

 

To all people that voted Cotto. Did you guys watched his Clottey and Margo (the cheater, who Mosley dominated), he's so skilled he was outboxed, has blood and cuts all over. His skills are so up there, i didn't notice it.

Cotto simply got good fundamentals, good at his jab. If you think he's really far away in comparison: you're smoking some really good stuff, i wanna have it.

 

These are the kinda responses and logic that just make the stats so lobsidedly stupid.

:-patsch:-(