Conditioning beats skill...

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  1. CHRIS_PARTLOW

    CHRIS_PARTLOW Member Full Member

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    Do you agree or disagree with the above statement?

    Explain your answer in 200 words or less, using relevant examples where appropriate.

    10 marks.
     
  2. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It can if the level of conditioning is extreme and the boxer is willing to pay the price.Look no further then Gene Fullmer-didn't have a knockout punch and wasn't fast either but was very ell conditioned plus he had the heart of a lion.Heart/conditioning can beat skill but it is very rare that you see it and usually when you do see it the more skilled boxer actually makes mistakes(taking the opponent lightly,not training as hard as he/she should,etc) that allows the limited but well condtioned boxer to take advantage of.
     
  3. Duhswag

    Duhswag Active Member Full Member

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    Most of the time, Alot of the time this could be true.

    But I stopped boxing for like 8 months and I went to the gym and sparred and was completely out of shape and still got the better hand. . I've also seen out of shape people beat up condition people.

    But basically, Just cause you can throw 100 punches doesn't mean you will beat someone who only throws half the amount but more skillfully.
     
  4. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    what the **** is this, english class?
     
  5. juanitoboxing

    juanitoboxing Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  6. CHRIS_PARTLOW

    CHRIS_PARTLOW Member Full Member

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    bradley admitted he isn't incredibly skilled but stays in extremely good shape
     
  7. RomperStomper

    RomperStomper Active Member Full Member

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    It did when there was 15 round fights occasionally it still does like Froch vs Taylor were Taylor gassed out like always later then got stopped also Bute vs Andrade were Bute speed and skill was too much for Andrade until he ran out of gas and Andrade KO'd him only to be robbed by a ref that should of got fired on the spot. Good bodyshots can beat conditioning though and the more skilled fighter well beat the in better shape but lesser fighter 9 times out of 10.
     
  8. JuanMa

    JuanMa business as usual Full Member

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    I feel that boxing skill's cannot be fully acquired and that it is in part a god given talent. While Conditioning can be acquired with basic fundamental's. Its a two way street with many variables. Conditioning does not beat skill all the time there are a lot of examples in boxing history that prove this.
     
  9. conditioner101

    conditioner101 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who needs 200 words. "HARD WORK BEATS TALENT WHEN TALENT DOESN'T WORK HARD!"
     
  10. Jorodz

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    ^^ i like that

    as to the thread, i think the best example would be fenech-nelson. in the first fight, fenech deserves the win but was robbed, even though nelson's well publized malaria probably had an effect. in the second fight, when they were both totally prepared all of fenech's work rate, stamina and conditioning were bested by zumah's superior skill. conditioning is essential but it can't be your ONLY weapon or a talented technician will pick you apart
     
  11. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If I were to be in shape to run a marathon at say sub 6 min miles. Should I be able to beat a world class boxer. NO. While I might be able to run around the ring avoiding a knockout. I wouldn't have the muscle memory to cope with the stress. Could a trained boxer use conditioning to overcome a more skilled boxer? While I would pick the more skilled boxer to win. It is not imposible for a lesser skilled boxer with better conditioning to win the boxing match. 1. The more skilled dose not take training for the fight serously or is hurt during training. He dose not give 100% and the better conditioned boxer out works him. 2. Having more stamana than the more skilled boxer the better condetioned boxer is able to take the fight into the late rounds and score a stopage there. 3. The better conditioned boxer is able to set a faster pace than the more skilled boxer would like to fight at and get an early stopage.
    It is posible for a better conditioned boxer to beat a more skilled boxer.
     
  12. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Depends on the fighter. A guy like PAC who had all the conditioning and lacked the skills early on in his career was able to be guys supremely skilled like JMM, MAB and EM before he really had multi demensional skills.....But you got a guy like Ricky Hatton.....Great stamina, lacked skills and had a really close fight with Callazo, who isn't known for his stamina.

    DLH lacked conditioning but was able to beat many fighters who were better conditioned than he b/c he was operating on a higher skill and talent level. Depending on who the fighers are that we are comparing will ultimately prove or disprove your statment.
     
  13. djm

    djm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Counter example: James Toney.

    Face it, you could find examples of both sides all day.
     
  14. Jorodz

    Jorodz watching Gatti Ward 1... Full Member

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    before the kosta fight, he really did. in his early career he got a long way on stamina
     
  15. JoeAverage

    JoeAverage Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It does...

    Froch-Taylor
    Pavlik-Taylor
    Calzaghe-Kessler
    Margarito-Cotto
    Hatton-Kostya