When did Pac reach the HOF/ATG status?

You're reaching too much...even if I was indifferent to PAC..Champion at FLY legit (not there for 3 fights) then Legit champ at 122...He could have even been champ at at more weights if he wanted to..

Then now hes beating MAB in his prime...and competing with JMM, Erik and now were talking lightweight???

PAC is held in a different standards...No ones asking RAFA or Mijares to fight MAB or Soto..that would be suicide...with PAC it is expected to fight even Katsidis..

I mean even if I was a casual fan and have no knowledge of his history..Id be like "OHH ****!" The guy who pummelled Lebwadha is now a heavy favorite to pummel MAB...huh how could that be??

PAc has no problem cutting weight...heck hes at 130 now with 3 weeks to go...how bout he cuts to 122..he'll wipe the floor with everyone
Ponce De Leon is a big guy for SBW..mention him fighting Guzman next and people will think you're insane...With PAC all 5'5 of him no problem ..it is expected..he chases greatness...thats why he is adored

It is an incredible journey even if you have not followed it...

 

I honestly don't recall anyone saying Pacman had to fight at LW. That was the idea and path laid out by a Pacman fan, not anyone else. If anything , I see alot of people saying he needs to clean out 130 and reign there.

 

I understand but it is being mentioned..Im saying its not out of question.. Yeah he needs to clean out 130 first no doubt...

 

OK then he's HOF for sure regardless of the future

IF we measure ATG as Top 50 of all time he aint there yet...

If he beats MAB...IM saying is he might be in top 50. Will there be consensus on that? NO but its not unreasonable

He Beats JMM, Soto, and Guzman..Hell be way up there..I tell you he's knockin on Chavez level

 

Pacman has been a HoF for a while now. After the 126 Ring title, he was HoF material.

I don't define ATG by a certain # because I would have to constantly raise the credentials. (IE when someone moves into the top 50, they would move someone out, raising the standards to at least # 50''s accomplishments and skill level) Pacman is a lower tier ATG, much like PBF is at this point in his career IMO.

 

Chimba, I hope you enlighten a lot of non Believers here. You give a nice Birds eye view of what Pac has accomplished so far.

 

For me Pac was higher in ATG status than PBF right now. He Knockout 2 ATGs not too far from their Prime. It's not only how Many Great fighter Pac has Beaten, It's how he beat them, Devastating & Spectacular. Floyd only win against ATG is with a SD wins against DLH.

 

PBF's resume has more depth. He has more titles, less losses, more lineal titles, and more overall talent IMO and most peoples. I know you have Pacman higher than PBF at this point. That goes without saying. However, until Pacman grabs a title at 130 (which he may not do due to the sanctioning fees bit) he is going to struggle reaching that level.

Stop insulting others with the "non believers" crap. I believe Pacman is great, I just don't rate him as highly as you do, and you rate him that way because he is your countryman.

 

Just recently watched all "P4P Profile episodes in youtube of SRR, SRL, Duran, Pep & Armstrong. I can easily imagine Pac joining those Group. SRR Destroying great opponents, Pac did that. SRL wanting to fight the best & dare to be Great, Pac did that. Duran moving up a weight class to fight the best out there & beat them, Pac did that. Armstrong Champ at 3 original weight class, Pac can do that after He beat the best lightweight Champ. SRL has the smile & Charisma, Pac has that. Duran has Machismo, Pac has that.

The only thing Pac can't do is Pep's hit & run for Greatness, Floyd did that. It's just not Pac's style, He does instead the Hunting & he's good in that category. Sasakul. Ledwaba & MAB tried to run & don't get hit in their fight with Pac but Pac still caught them & KOed them.

I suggest you watch them all again & listen to all Boxing historian's Praises of each boxers, Then imagine what will say about Pac when Pac finally retires.

 

I suggest you stop using what MIGHT happen and what you IMAGINE as signs of someones greatness.

I don't need to watch things I have already seen and things that have nothing to do with this discussion. When Pacman does all the things you have "visions" of him doing, get back to me. If he doesn't, then I don't care what your "vision" of him is.

You have your opinion, I have mine.

 

Oh yeah, and stop insulting guys like Pep. Otherwise, don't complain when people match up Pacman with ATG's. Those statements are WHY he gets matched up with them, then you feign innocence and act as though someone else started the threads for no reason.

 

He solidified his legacy when he stopped EM for the second time.

 

I'm not insulting Pep, I'm just comparing him with Floyd. Pep himself said that his style is Hit & run & live another day.