Prime Holyfield would have KOed Prime Lewis

It took Moorer 12 freaking rounds to finally tko a bum Botha. But it was a close fight before the 12th round tko happen. If Moorer had great skills then in no way shape or form that Moorer should have a problem with Botha. Maskaev has won a title belt while Botha still hasn't.

 

I just can't believe how much heart and being a great warrior is confused with a fighter's actual level of ability. Holyfield was one of the bravest fighters ever, yes. He also rarely dominated at HW, while Lewis could cruise to an easy victory against Tua or annihilate Grant or Golota early. Holyfield would have been in intense battles with these fighters. Lewis lost twice when he underestimated his opponents and got somewhat lucky against Vitali. But Holyfield lost to Moorer when Moorer was in shape and only beat the fat version, went 1 - 1 -1 with Ruiz, struggled with Bobby Chyz, an ancient Holmes or Cooper, lost twice to Bowe and won the one fight against an overweight version of Bowe and by the smallest margin possible in boxing.

Lewis on his best night beats Holyfield on his best night ten out of ten. He is bigger, hits a lot harder, is the better natural athlete, has mor options on how to fight.

 

Wind up right?

 

I think a prime Lewis is to good for a prime Holyfield.

 

...and that was a tad after Holyfields prime.:smoke


atsch Did you watch & pay attention to the Foreman-Ali fight?
George Foreman went down from average punches due to pure exhaustion, Ali fought a perfect fight to defeat the man.

 

I love the way all the Holyfield fans have ignored your post cos its damn true! :good

 

It's still his heavyweight record. I wonder where the excuses begin? After the Lewis loss? Before? Fact of the matter is, Holy's 10 losses are on his record even the one to Ruiz, just like the Rahman and McCall losses count on Lennox's record. It's not my fault the real deal dosn't know when to call it quits. If somehow Holyfield won those fights I'm sure his fans would count them, rather than saying "he was past his prime". That being said, I do think he won against Valuev. But that wouldn't have been enough cuz the real deal is still trying to unify, not just get A heavyweight belt. It's interesting that those excuses are made for Evander but the two losses to Rahman and McCall are cited as proving that LL was nothing but a glorified journeyman, despite Lennox's brutal ko rematch of Hasim. Lennox took Hasim lightly and paid the price.
And yes I've seen the Ali Foreman fight many times and Ali was hitting him often, not just sitting on the ropes all night long only to throw 3 pounches in round 8 as many pundits make it seem. But I guess hitting a guy 'till he hits the mat and can't beat the count isn't really a ko in your booksatsch. What is your definition?

 

Lewis wins

 

So does that mean Holyfield only beat Tyson once then?

Or is it something that only counts against Lewis?


Anyway, I can't see Holy ko'ing Lewis. HOly went the best part of TEN years without winning a fight by KO. Not the sign of a puncher at all.

Lewis lost to guys that could crack. Holy is obviously not one of them.

IMO Holy just has too many physical disadvantages to overcome in this fight. As others have said, a higher workrate and more aggression from Holy simply means he gets hit more.

He has the goods to try and wear Lewis down, and win a points decision by taking the late rounds, but can't see a KO win for Holy at any stage of his career.

You could never count out Holy, but Lewis would be a reasonable favourite.

 

in. your. wild. ****ing. dreams.

 

What Holy was doing in the ring? You mean headbutting without penalty from the ref I think Tysons mental issues may also have had just a little bit to do with it, don't you?

Don't you think McCall might have started crying because he thought it would be another easy win, and when it wasn't, he collapsed mentally (due of course to his unstable state)

Yes, it was a bit of a pisstake, you're right. But it was a demonstration of the double standards that Holy fans give Holy (aw, come on, he's the little guy with the heart of a warrior, he's allowed to lose/headbutt/look like ****, but that big bad English Canadian bloke, he can't).

Citing the rematch doesn't do great things in terms of the win, but if nothing else it shows he was willing to get back into the ring with somebody that had brutally KTFO Lewis. Lewis had no idea what sort of shape McCall was going to be in, and it was Don King that selected McCall for the fight, because of the last win.

Lewis can't be responsible for the shape McCall was in. Just as Vitaly can't be held responsible for the fact that just about every opponent he comes up against decides to come in fat as a pig.

But yeah, in terms of actual performance, it's nothing to really write home about.

But to be a *****, neither was the Holy performance in Holy Tyson 2. Butting your opponent repeatedly to drive him into a rage is hardly a career defining performance IMO.

 

Yes I agree, I just didn't want to open up that can of worms....you *****

 

No.


Anything CAN happen in a given fight. That's usually why we get upsets.

However, when a poster says "I pick A over B" he usually means he would generally pick A to beat B, assuming both come prepared and healthy.


That doesn't mean A will ALWAYS beat B. Perhaps 7 or 8 times out of 10.


I'm being presumptious here in regard to McGrain's intended meaning, but I believe he meant he would favour Lewis to beat Holy on any given night.

Not that it was impossible for Holy, like Rahman, to pull it off.

 

Good post. I think Lewis was in his prime at the time he faced Botha. He had amzing speed, power en reflexes then.

In Rahman 1 a lazy Lewis showed up. Lewis showed up 1 week in advance in Africa where normally you need about 10 days to get used to the altitude.

I think Lewis has much more potential then Holyfield.