So who is greater in ATG Ranking? Pacquiao Vs Hoya?

Good job :good

 

Lol what good job? Desperate much? It was a double post ******. Don't act like you "won" something :rofl

 

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I don't know WTF you're talking about.

THEN you must read the title of the thread that you're fellow ******* created.

Taller, sure, bigger, not sure, I don't recall how much he weighed fight night. But at the weighin they weighed the same.

Why not mention Gatti or Castillejo when you're boy mentioned Larios, Solis and Diaz who are clearly infrior to Gatti, Castillejo, and Quartey. I'll give Pac the JMM win for sake of arguing in this one, so what? DLH still fought the BETTER competition.

 

You're the ****** for not knowing how to post. :roll:

Seriously, I wasted my time with you, you brought nothing to the debate in this thread that Dr. Harrison started :"So who is greater in ATG Ranking? Pacquiao Vs Hoya?"

 

I'll bump my Argument again.

 

Graps at straws much?

My point is NO ONE SHOULD ARGUE WITH YOU. It's very clear, and it is VERY relevant to this debate because no matter what they say you will still deny anything. How's that not reasonable?

And they are probably about even at the moment because I do believe Oscar fought the overall better competition, and it's harder to look good against such competition. But that's worth debating with people, not a wall like you. So yes, my point is very relevant to this. Cry more :|.

 

It doesn't matter what I think. I don't care what *******s think, because I know they'll never accept anything less of Pac than top 20, some GOAT. But at any rate, it's a debate, and if you choose not to debate my welled typed out argument, then all it means is that you're simply ducking the argument.

No one has showed me why Pac's career has been greater than ODLH when compared.

 

Here's my Argument.

Let's hear yours Dr. Harrison

Lets do a side by side comparison to Oscar De La Hoya, who I don't even have in the top 30, let alone top 20 or 25.

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You really fail to realize that Whitaker is leagues above Morales and Quartey is leagues above Larios, especially the Morales Pac fought, infact, Pac lost to a past prime, shot Morales, that has to be taken into consideration.

Also Larios was way past his best and Quartey was in his prime. That is a fact.

A Prime Oscar towers over Morales and Larios, especially the one that Pac fought and lost too.

It's an undenialble fact that Morales lost to a past prime Barrera, and journey man Zahir Raheem before Pac was able to beat him.

Yeah, I'll look. I'll also look at where Mosley ranks right now, and how he looks compared to the ODLH that Pac beat. As for Hatton-Vargas, Vargas is leagues above Hatton, Vargas was naturally bigger than ODLH, and on steroids! Vargas' skills are leagues above Hatton's. Hatton makes Vargas look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

If you'd understand boxing, you wouldn't fail to realize why Vargas and Mosley in 2003 were harder fights that 2008 ODLH and 2009 Hatton.

He did exceptionally well in rounds 9 and 10. Have you even seen the fight??!! It was only Rds 11 and 12 where he got on his bike. Look ar how Pac did vs JMM for most of the rounds in their first fight.

That's how I know you're ignorant to boxing. Oscar moved up to fight Whitaker (P4P#2), Castillejo (WBC champ), Vargas was bigger, Trinidad was bigger, Mosley on roids was bigger, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was bigger, Ruelas was actually bigger, and Hopkins and Sturm were far beyond just bigger. Oscar took on the best all the time, that is something Pac CANNOT say (ALL THE TIME).

You truly never saw Oscar in his prime did you? A Prime Oscar was faster, his handspeed was compared to the Sugars, and his POP was devastating.

Hell, their KO % is about the same, the main difference being that ODLH fought much better opposition that Pac.

IM WAITING

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Lets do this!

The Barrera that Pac fought had been pro 14 years had 3 losses, two in which he was brutally f-ed up and one where he took a sever beating while dishing one out, and 57-3-0.
That's three beatings.

Pernell was 12.5 years pro and should have been 40-0-0, p4p #2.
Chavez was 12.5 years pro, was 96-1-1 Should have been 96-2. But had never had a beating like Barrera.

ODLH moved up from 140 to fight the Whitaker at 147.
ODLH had one fight at 140 before fighting Chavez at 140 who already had a whoppong 8 fights under his belt at Jr. WW.

Pacquaio has fought Diaz, ODLH, Hatton after MAB and EM.

ODLH fought Vargas, Mayorga, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Gatti, Castillejo and Quartey after JCC and Pea.

I don't see your argument anymore.

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In part I'm glad you realize and admit Morales was shot. Secondly, Whitaker was NOT coming off a humiliating loss a la Morales. Infact Whitaker should have been undefeated coming into the fight with DLH and had had some impressive wins vs great opposition in his previous fights. Unfortunately Whitaker didn't deal well with the loss, got on the junk and ruined the rest of his career with drugs.

Let me school you on something. Shotness is not necessarily and always attributed to age. Size is not always attributed to height. You know Whiatker had beat JCV years before he lost to DLH, JCV the man that decked Winky Wright 5 times.

ODLH moved up to 147, a weight he was unfamiliar with to fight the reigning champ.

:rofl:rofl:rofl No you just didn't say that! First Quartey was in the PRIME of his LIFE, Larios was PAST his prime, Quartey was undefeated, and had one of the best jabs of his era. Larios was a good B level fighter in his prime.

Quartey had an iffy fight where he should have won easy, but because of Kds he ended up getting a questionable draw. His previous win was a little over a year and a half. A

Shane was on steroids was was clearly the stronger man that night. Oscar was clearly the smarter man.

You still didn't prove why EM was a better win than Whitaker, Mab a better win than JCC, Hatton a better win than Vargas.

So DLH has a few losses at the twighlight of his career, Pac has some in the beggining. It is very common for great fighters to rack up a few loses towards the end.

All you did was TRY to dissect ODLH resume, very uneffectively, but never even mentioned Pac's. You can dissect ODLH's resume all you want, but it's still better than Pac's.

 

I said it's about even. So how that = ducking? .

DLH > Beat Trinidad (close), beat Ike (very close), beat JCC (past it, smaller), Pea (past it, smaller, very close)

Pac > Beat MAB (he wasn't past it), Morales (past it), JMM (very close), ODLH (drained, past it).

It is definitely about even. It will come down to technicalities like you saying ODLH was pretty much dead at the fight, Morales being completely shot, and things like that, and the other side saying they weren't. So you don't really have an amazing argument either.

 

Pacquiao ....

 

dude you make a good arguement TBH :good

 

Barrera not in his prime in his first fight against Pacquiao? He was like #3 on the P4P list and just performed a boxing clinic on Prince Naseem Hamed a few months back. If anyone wasn't in his prime in that fight, it was Pacquiao, young, one dimensional, double jab-straight left, 6 years before his prime. Actually, I can't consider a fighter still improving to be in his prime. Mayweather took 10 rounds to knock out a 147 lb Fatton. Pac KO'd Hatton IN 2 rds at 140, where he was UNDEFEATED and coming off an impressive win against Malignaggi. The only thing that's FACT about your statements is obvoius bias towards Pacquiao. But, I'm glad you took time to register on ESB to vent your hatred on Pac after he put your hero to sleep last May 2nd. Your transparent agenda makes for future classic self ownage moments which will be enjoyed by most members on this board time and time again.

 

Whitaker was even more shot than Morales. Whiter is like 10 years older than Oscar. He just didn't look so shot against Oscar because Oscar couldnt hit a skilled southpaw with a laser guided nuclear bomb. And for you to say that Whitaker was bigger than Oscar is crazy bull****. Oscar moved up in weight and fought a fighter who was smaller than him in his first fight at that weight.

Quartey is about on the same level as Larios, who is underrated. And Quartey was rusty and coming off a career worst performance followed by a year of inactivity. He hadn't won a fight in 2 years before fighting Oscar and lost his fight after that too

Oscar fought Shane at 154, when he fought Shane at 147, he got his ass whipped. Shane has always been too small for 154. Everyone knows that and he has gone on record saying that.

I can go on and on, its pointless. Anyone with a pair of eyes and some common sense knows Pac is greater than Oscar and better too..