There's always debate as to whether rounds should be freely scored even (10-10) when one feels they were close, or that this option should be avoided (or not be considered at all) and one should score a round even only as a last resort, when the round is very-very close and extremely difficult to give to either fighter, something that rarely happens. We've all noticed that judges almost never score rounds even, and I've seen many posters around here claim that when one often scores rounds even, it's a sign of bad judgment. I understand this point, in the sense that one shouldn't just score a round even as an easy solution, I agree that's not good scoring. But should even rounds be purposely avoided when judging a fight? Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong in scoring a round even if you think neither fighter did enough to win it, or if both fighters were about equally successful. Imo sometimes it's unfair to give the round to a fighter just so that you don't score it even, when in fact you believe that both fighters deserved (or didn't deserve) the round. In the end, if it was wrong to score a round even, it wouldn't be legal to do so. So what's your take on this one? :think
Even rounds scored by judges to me shows that the judge wasnt paying close attention to the round. I really dont like it tbh, mathematically its very slim that both fighters threw the same amount of punches, landed the same amount and did as much damage as the other fighter all in the same round. I think a round should only be scored even if both fighters knock each other down.
Take this scenario: Fighter A is the aggressor and stalks Fighter B, who prefers to circle around and counterpunch. Midway through the round fighter A manages to rock fighter B with a big shot and corners him for a few seconds. Fighter B recovers and continues to circle around trying to counter. Just before the round ends, fighter B manages to rock fighter A with a big counter, making him back off and a few seconds later the round ends. Punchstat shows that fighter A was 10/49 and fighter B 10/27. How would you score that round?
boxing, however one scores things remains subjective. In other words judges dont really know who hit most or who the hardest, they dont have the punchstats in front of them and different people have preferences for different things. Hence I think its fair if you have been weighing things up as a judge to the best of your ability and you still cannot seperate them whats the problem? I do think it should only be encouraged if you cannot find ANYTHING to seperate them, ,and I rarely score more than 1 10-10 per round myself,, and am fine with it this way
Good thread. I always think about this when watching a fight. I don't see a problem with scoring a round a draw at all, as long as it's after much thought and not possible to see either fighter shading it. It requires alot of experience as a judge to be sure the round was dead even however. When I score a round, I make mental notes to myself as the round progresses as to who's winning it. If fighter A lands even a couple of jabs in the first minute, he's in control of the round. If fighter B lands a big right in the 2nd minute, that might be enough to put him marginally ahead and slightly in control of the round heading into the 3rd minute. The most clean effective puncher usually shades it in the very tight rounds for me, but that's just my opinion. All out slugfests are sometimes the hardest to score!
I have no problem with somebody scoring an even round. Its in the rules that a judge can do it, so when somebody does, I'm all for it. Personally, I have never seen an even round in my 30 years following this sport. I've NEVER scored a 10-10. A 9-9, yes, but that isnt a EVEN round. I can always find something to seperate two fighters. I think having boxed as long and as high a level as I managed, I can see things alittle better than a less experienced guy, and it helps me see whose in control a little better. But, scoring is perspective. Certain fights are exceptions, but for the most part, a guy can score any round any way he wants and I won't fuss.
Agreed 100%. That's exactly how I try to judge a fight round by round. Exactly. As in the Ibeabuchi/Tua fight? :yep
simply put, an even round is the equivalent to an even anything. if its too close to call, call it even. its that simple there shouldnt be a debate, you guys arent judges
Its hard to score that without an actual visual but the last 10 seconds of a round can really sway a judge's opinion of who to score the round for. Depending of whose big landed shot is bigger, if both are equally the same Id go with fighter A being that he was pressing the fight.
Good points. But not even one round in 30 years? Do you think that maybe there were some rounds that you could have scored even, in the sense that the guy whom you gave the round wasn't the winner of that round 100% in your mind? I guess that could be the case, it's just hard to imagine.
Its just how my mind works, man. Most guys score on clean punching and effective aggression, almost solely. Because I actually had to worry about defense and ring generalship so much, I see them, and I factor them in. The first two are very important, but when you give a dude kudos for effective, efficient defense, and ring control, even in very close rounds, a fighter has an edge in my mind. But yes, man, if I did score even rounds, there are many through history I'd have put the double diez on. I just usually see a winner. So do 95% of professional judge. But often, I'll say in my mind, "Pretty close round, but Fighter A imposed his gameplan on Fighter B, and he blocked/dodged more shots doing it. Thats his edge, 10-9."
So I take it you tend to give a really close round to a pressure-type fighter rather than a boxer-counterpuncher? I can see a case for your choice, but personally I'd give the round to fighter B, cause he managed to land about the same punches (assuming his punches are not slaps/touches) while throwing significantly less. Also, I tend to think it's wrong and unfair to give a fighter the round cause of a successful flurry in the last seconds, while he lost the most part of the rest of the round.
I personally feel that judges should be encouraged more to score even rounds rather than be pressured to favor one fighter over another in a tightly contested round. That's when judges may start to question themselves and embellish there own recollections. If there is no clear cut winner then they should just render the round a push to avoid controversial decisions imho.
Scoring even rounds is the only option under certain circumstances, IMV. If you can't clearly determine the winner of a round, you don't want to start getting subjective and interpretational about things. That's my feeling. If you find yourself scoring even rounds as often as Larry Merchant does; you aren't looking closely enough, however.
What the ****, ESB? :-( Given how those poll options are worded, this shouldn't even be remotely close...let alone...well...that.