Hatton is a deluded clown

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and yours is usually full of ****. The cold, hard facts speak for themselves, one of these fighters beat two pound for pounders, numerous other beltholders and top 10 contenders in (with the exception of the Collazo fight) pretty convincing manner. In addition that fighter went and spent half his prime fighting in on the other guy's turf and had the balls to go and challenge two modern day legends. He was the man at his weight class for four years. The other was a beltholder who made a couple of defenses and beat a sum total of four world class fighters, only one of which was convincing. He rarely left his home turf other than when he had to and folded like a pack of cards when pressured.

Not a bad career, but by comparison it is Liverpool FC's last couple of seasons compared to Man United's. A decent run on one front under pretty generous circumstances but ultimate failure at the business end. Compared to mixing it on various fronts with a very high level of success and only being thwarted by the absolute creme de la creme. One will be remembered as a truly very good team and one of the best british sides of the recent era. The other as being able to turn it on in fits and starts under the right circumstances and there or thereabouts but never more than a decent operator top level operator.

This is not meant as any offence to Junior before Icemax comes on, but more to those who would have us believe he was some kind of cross between Mayweather and Foreman in order to try and have a pop at Hatton.

 

arr,the young **** that betty sucks on is back,dident know bristol was in s e asia:tired

 

Oooooooooohhhhhhh i bet you really want too eh Gaz

 

i swear my original belief was that you and a few others were trying to argue that..........cant be bothered to go right back to old old posts but if i had ur perception wrong then i apolgise.

More than anything i respect what Hatton has done, in fact most top fighters even fighter John Ruiz who fight ugly, bend the rules etc but these guys all at one stage hung with the elite in one of toughest sports known to man.

My debate/ arguments stem from people trying to make that a fighter is this or that...........rather than stone cold facts.

Its like the hype the premier league gets.........then they play a Latvian team only manage to win 1-0........goes to shows that its overrated and over payed.

 

Have you watch Hatton when he fought his 18th pro fight?

 

[quote="TKO";4691360]Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one and yours is usually full of ****. The cold, hard facts speak for themselves, one of these fighters beat two pound for pounders, numerous other beltholders and top 10 contenders in (with the exception of the Collazo fight) pretty convincing manner. In addition that fighter went and spent half his prime fighting in on the other guy's turf and had the balls to go and challenge two modern day legends. He was the man at his weight class for four years. The other was a beltholder who made a couple of defenses and beat a sum total of four world class fighters, only one of which was convincing. He rarely left his home turf other than when he had to and folded like a pack of cards when pressured.

Not a bad career, but by comparison it is Liverpool FC's last couple of seasons compared to Man United's. A decent run on one front under pretty generous circumstances but ultimate failure at the business end. Compared to mixing it on various fronts with a very high level of success and only being thwarted by the absolute creme de la creme. One will be remembered as a truly very good team and one of the best british sides of the recent era. The other as being able to turn it on in fits and starts under the right circumstances and there or thereabouts but never more than a decent operator top level operator.

This is not meant as any offence to Junior before Icemax comes on, but more to those who would have us believe he was some kind of cross between Mayweather and Foreman in order to try and have a pop at Hatton.[/quote]


Your first little snippet was rather ironic......in fact i wont respond much more as it summed up ur post quite nicely.

 

hatton would have owned judah back in 2000 or now.

judah doesn't like it up him.

look at the baldomir fight ffs. atsch

 

If you check my posts the most extravagrant claim I've made about Hatton is along the lines of that he was a decent world champ and/ or a genuine world class boxer and that people are overly critical of whats been a very good career (esp. by British standards).

A lot of anti-Hatton posts on here seem to make claims something like "Oh, you all think he's an ATG but you're wrong", when the truth of the matter is that no one on here has made that claim in the first place!

 

Not me mate, I'm very big on the history side of the sport and I know that Hatton is quite a way short of those sort of acolades, I just think he should get a fair crack for what he HAS achieved rather people trying to pick holes (the same sort of holes you can pick in most boxerscareers if you put your mind to it) in a pretty decent career.

 

Gaz, you've made reasonable posts and, as you may have noticed, I rarely get involved with these Hatton threads these days. My problem will always be the Witter thing. Not even a massive problem, just one of those minor annoyances that will never go away. We never found out who was better head to head when both were in their prime and we should have done.

 

You're trying to have your cake and eat it here. You can either excuse Witter's loss to Judah on the grounds of him being inexperienced (even though he was at what is usually physical prime age) or excuse his losses to Bradley/Alexander on the grounds of him being past what is usually prime age (even though his career progression indicated that this was when he was at his peak). Not both.

Witter's career path differed from Hatton's. Hatton followed the normal career route for a prospect which is turn pro in late teens, build up through the early 20s, hit your prime in your mid-late 20s and decline by your early 30s. Witter by contrast didn't even turn pro until age 23 and spent most of his late 20s building himself up. His career path was set back a few years from Hatton's in every way. Therefore if he was still a novice at 26 then he should be hitting his prime in his 30s. As I state you are trying to have your cake and eat it using this unusual career path to compare it favourable to Hatton's.

I could flip the whole thing round and say do you think a 26-year-old Hatton (which would have been the version of the Tszyu fight) would have lost to Judah, or a Hatton with around 40 pro bouts (which would have been about 3 years ago) would have lost to that Bradley or Alexander. I think we all know the answer.

 

You know my attitude on that mate, I'd have loved to see the fight 2003-2005 but I think Hatton did enough not to have to 'answer' for the fight not happening after he fought Zoo.

 

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Witter's career path differed from Hatton's. Hatton followed the normal career route for a prospect which is turn pro in late teens, build up through the early 20s, hit your prime in your mid-late 20s and decline by your early 30s. Witter by contrast didn't even turn pro until age 23 and spent most of his late 20s building himself up. His career path was set back a few years from Hatton's in every way. Therefore if he was still a novice at 26 then he should be hitting his prime in his 30s. As I state you are trying to have your cake and eat it using this unusual career path to compare it favourable to Hatton's.

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What evidence is there for a decline IYO?

 

:deal Says it all.

 

But he could have made it happen at anytime, he was the one with the power to just say "**** it, let's sort this out" before the Tszyu fight. But nevermind.