So who is greater in ATG Ranking? Pacquiao Vs Hoya?

Floyd undefeated and PAc isn't lol... Floyd is said to have sold more ppv's(who cares) than Pac against Dlh and Hatton. Fact. Floyd never stopped in a fight, PAc was. Floyd no draws on record, Pac has two.


Harrison said: uliuli is likes oscar's balls too much LOL

 

let us exposed uliuli's stupidity

Ok, I'm done degenerating the board. I'm moving on. Nallege signing off lol... I don't vote in polls where a guy is still fighting. I wait until it is all said and done.

 

I can't believe that this is still going. The fact that the thread is going so long shows that there is validity to both point of views. I still stand by that DLH leads, but it's close and that does not mean Pac will not surpass him (he is quickly rising in the ranks). In my opinion, if Pac beats Cotto they will be tied, or Pac may slightly lead; and if he beats Mayweather, he far supasses him. Just keep in mind his last 4-5 fights have been against great fighters, but DLH has numerous wins against great fighters (listed in several previous postings). We can argue that the fighters beaten by both Pac and DLH were shot or passed it, so I'm not even going to go there. Just comparing resumes and impact on the sport, I have DLH leading, and I don't even like DLH (I actually like Pac more).

So final answer - who leads at the moment today - DLH; Do I think Pac will lead by the time he retires - Yes.

 

Wait, I got one more lol... Now Harrison says:

pardon me... the choice c should read: ululi likes oscar's ball too much!

Nallege responds: Which ball does UliUli like? Dlh's basketball, soccer ball, football or baseball lol...???

 

Exactly. But it's only human nature for people to get carried away, and the DLH and Hatton fights were the perfect opportunity to give people the chance.

 

Ok, I'm done lol... I had fun. Both Dlh and Emmanuel Dapidran are great, but PAc isn't done fighting yet, so he gets no vote from me. Dlh is already in the top 80, so when PAc retires, we will rank him accordingly.

 

Fernando Vargas Jr. MW champion 3 times.

Beat:
Ike Quartey
Winky Wright
Javier Castillejo
Raul Marquez
Yori Boy Campas


Ricky Hatton Jr. WW Champion

Beat:
Luis Collazo
Kostya Tszyu
Paul Malignaggi
Juan Lazcano
Jose Luis Castillo

So Vargas has a better resume, better skills.

 

Oh boy, Harrison is pulling out his colors and large fonts.

I'm done with this one for a while.

 

Gentlemen, and *******s, and especially DR. HARRISON, here's my Argument.

Let's hear yours.

Lets do a side by side comparison to Oscar De La Hoya, who I don't even have in the top 30, let alone top 20 or 25.

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You really fail to realize that Whitaker is leagues above Morales and Quartey is leagues above Larios, especially the Morales Pac fought, infact, Pac lost to a past prime, shot Morales, that has to be taken into consideration.

Also Larios was way past his best and Quartey was in his prime. That is a fact.

A Prime Oscar towers over Morales and Larios, especially the one that Pac fought and lost too.

It's an undenialble fact that Morales lost to a past prime Barrera, and journey man Zahir Raheem before Pac was able to beat him.

Yeah, I'll look. I'll also look at where Mosley ranks right now, and how he looks compared to the ODLH that Pac beat. As for Hatton-Vargas, Vargas is leagues above Hatton, Vargas was naturally bigger than ODLH, and on steroids! Vargas' skills are leagues above Hatton's. Hatton makes Vargas look like Sugar Ray Leonard.

If you'd understand boxing, you wouldn't fail to realize why Vargas and Mosley in 2003 were harder fights that 2008 ODLH and 2009 Hatton.

He did exceptionally well in rounds 9 and 10. Have you even seen the fight??!! It was only Rds 11 and 12 where he got on his bike. Look ar how Pac did vs JMM for most of the rounds in their first fight.

That's how I know you're ignorant to boxing. Oscar moved up to fight Whitaker (P4P#2), Castillejo (WBC champ), Vargas was bigger, Trinidad was bigger, Mosley on roids was bigger, Miguel Angel Gonzalez was bigger, Ruelas was actually bigger, and Hopkins and Sturm were far beyond just bigger. Oscar took on the best all the time, that is something Pac CANNOT say (ALL THE TIME).

You truly never saw Oscar in his prime did you? A Prime Oscar was faster, his handspeed was compared to the Sugars, and his POP was devastating.

Hell, their KO % is about the same, the main difference being that ODLH fought much better opposition that Pac.

IM WAITING

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The Barrera that Pac fought had been pro 14 years had 3 losses, two in which he was brutally f-ed up and one where he took a sever beating while dishing one out, and 57-3-0.
That's three beatings.

Pernell was 12.5 years pro and should have been 40-0-0, p4p #2.
Chavez was 12.5 years pro, was 96-1-1 Should have been 96-2. But had never had a beating like Barrera.

ODLH moved up from 140 to fight the Whitaker at 147.
ODLH had one fight at 140 before fighting Chavez at 140 who already had a whoppong 8 fights under his belt at Jr. WW.

Pacquaio has fought Diaz, ODLH, Hatton after MAB and EM.

ODLH fought Vargas, Mayorga, Hopkins, Mosley, Trinidad, Gatti, Castillejo and Quartey after JCC and Pea.

I don't see your argument anymore.

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In part I'm glad you realize and admit Morales was shot. Secondly, Whitaker was NOT coming off a humiliating loss a la Morales. Infact Whitaker should have been undefeated coming into the fight with DLH and had had some impressive wins vs great opposition in his previous fights. Unfortunately Whitaker didn't deal well with the loss, got on the junk and ruined the rest of his career with drugs.

Let me school you on something. Shotness is not necessarily and always attributed to age. Size is not always attributed to height. You know Whiatker had beat JCV years before he lost to DLH, JCV the man that decked Winky Wright 5 times.

ODLH moved up to 147, a weight he was unfamiliar with to fight the reigning champ.

:rofl:rofl:rofl No you just didn't say that! First Quartey was in the PRIME of his LIFE, Larios was PAST his prime, Quartey was undefeated, and had one of the best jabs of his era. Larios was a good B level fighter in his prime.

Quartey had an iffy fight where he should have won easy, but because of Kds he ended up getting a questionable draw. His previous win was a little over a year and a half. A

Shane was on steroids was was clearly the stronger man that night. Oscar was clearly the smarter man.

You still didn't prove why EM was a better win than Whitaker, Mab a better win than JCC, Hatton a better win than Vargas.

So DLH has a few losses at the twighlight of his career, Pac has some in the beggining. It is very common for great fighters to rack up a few loses towards the end.

All you did was TRY to dissect ODLH resume, very uneffectively, but never even mentioned Pac's. You can dissect ODLH's resume all you want, but it's still better than Pac's.

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A prime Light welter Hoya does not destroy prime ricky hatton at 140, the two wins over Chavez were painful to watch due to how far chavez was past his prime and the gruesome cuts involved. De la Hoya has a lot more wins over GOOD fighters.

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Dr. Harrison, you got your ass owned in this thread.

 

look at the score. i think you got owned on this thread. delahoya the biggest choker in boxing against one of the most mentaly strong. you are crazy.

 

Yeah. because we all know polls are the bible.

Look at the votes Pac got. Now look at how many people who voted for Pac effectively argued for him, hell how many people even attempted to argue for him?

I broke down any attempt of an argument for Pac, yet NO ONE was able to effectively break my argument down. As proff, I have posted my argument in every other page.

You're turn, try to give it a shot. :good

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