Can you name one true ATG that Joe Calzaghe is better then?

I was looking at it more from a "wins" POV. Oscar gets critisized a lot for his losses and practically get no credit for his close losses.

His Duran win was decent but Duran with his lifestyle was very incosistent at that weight anyways. To put it into perspective, Laing beat Duran straight after that fight. Do you think that is a greater win than Hopkins? Possibly...I dont particularly believe Joe is above Benitez...but hating aside, he has a case.

Good call on Tsyzu to the guy above too. Zoo is great, one of my fav fighters...but not his fault, he doesnt really have any great names on his record.

 

it's another look at joe all time thread.

however most of these turn out not to be objective. they're filled with calzaghe haters or calzaghe "fans" who bully their way through and treat anyone who doesn't love calzaghe like ****.

for me, calzaghe forever lies between the hate and the love: as was said earlier, an excellent fighter whose resume does not match his talent

 

I don't think so.

And unless you are an alias of the thread starter, you can't really answer.

No offence.

 

haha, no worries. best guess is all. what the point is i don't know...but i can tell you what it's become

 

Benny Lynch

I cant think of any others atm

 

I can name about 100, because Calzaghe is the greatest fighter of all time. Pick any ATG...Joe's better than him.

 

Can you name one true ATG that Joe Calzaghe is better then? :think

Hopkins :deal

 

Marciano and Harry Greb atleast

 

:admin:adminwhat?? harry greb!!???

 

not sure what your criteria for ATG is, but if you mean say the top 50 fighters of all time, then none and it's not close

 

and guess what, I'm British ! hah.

yep, i agree.

joeCal's just fortunate that most of Wilfred Benitez's conquered foes weren't within a light-year of being as memorable as Benitez's qualities are!

Well, he doesn't have any GREAT names in their prime (lol JCC at age 36 or w/e is was is still better than the RJJ who fought Joe though!)

He beat everyone he could at 140 almost (was arguably shot when he met Hatton & was up against it with all that roughouse, dirty boxing.. and ofcourse the HUGE LEFT TO THE GROIN WHICH HATTON DEALT HIM which took the life out of him ; though he did give quite a few to Hatton.. they were nowhere near as hard or intentional as this was!), knocking out most.

He may not have conquered any GREATS in their prime, but they simply weren't available and unfortunately he couldn't make 135 (not good enough at cutting-weight) & was too small for 147!

Names like Sharmba Mitchell, Ben Tackie, Rafael Ruelas, Hugo Pineda, Roger Mayweather, Angel Hernandez, Miguel Angel Gonzalez (only previous loss to DE LA HOYA!), Hurtado (only previous loss to Sweetpea!), Jan Piet Bergman ..are pretty decent still!

He knocked out Bergman years before Witter & Judah dominated him...
and he knocked out Pineda before Trinidad would at a later date at like 147/154. Same with Sharmba Mitchell - knocked him out quicker & yrs before PW & Floyd did.


Consider the fact that he unifed the belts within 3 yrs of getting the WBC belt (after losing the IBF belt i think it was by KO a few yrs earlier to Vince Phillips) -- contrast to JoeCal taking 9 after getting his title off Eubank & never losing it.

Look at the number of undefeated & near-undefeated (1 loss only) fighters that KT beat! & same with the number of well-experienced journeymen he beat (ppl with like 40+ wins and not that many losses, either).


KT should have stepped up to 147 though & beaten a less large welterweight like Jose Antonio Rivera, though. That would've been good to add to his legacy.

I mean, he could've fought Judah again! Or even Baldomir a few years down the line. But he really did age in that Hatton fight & had had enough.

 

another good post:thumbsup zoo is the kind of fighter who needs to be measured by talent and the number of consistent solid opponents he fought rather than just the ATG fighters on his ledger. to be fair, for someone with as few fights as him he rarely took soft touches and almost always dominated very good competition

 

Tito could not carry Calzaghe's jock strap. you are way off in this post.

 

Joe was a better boxer as far as quality goes.
& i daresay his work-rate & handspeed would cause more problems to bigger opponents than say the way Tito carried his power up from ww to mw.

However, Joe didn't step up to Light-Heavyweight to face a real Light-Heavyweight now did he! Again, this is a case of Joe not even trying to build himself a solid legacy.


Tito did what he could and got undone by Winky & B-Hop.
And the reality is, even right in the middle of his prime, he would probably still get dismantled just as bad (barring a big hit or two from his patented Duran-like hands of stone <--- just like when he did actually meet B-Hop & Winky,, the great equalizers would still be present & there's always that chance... but more often than not, they wouldn't be doing the equalizing due to the technical proficiency of the said opponents).

Had Joe moved up & beaten most, or all, the main light-heavies around at the time (not even including RJJ), then he would be ranked higher.. BUT HE DIDN'T. So tough ****.

Tito was well-regarded as this outgoing generations Duran-like figure (though, perhaps that mantle now belongs to Manny?) for a reason. He earned it.


Another case of Joe not doing all he can to try n be the best he can & leave behind the best legacy possible.

Tito did what he could and came undone by two great, tactical craftsmen in bernard & winky (a winky who is severely underrated on these boards -- ppl forget how he went approx 7 yrs without being defeated after his early career-patch of losses & a Winky who no-one until Bernard had really figured out, even if it wasn't pretty).


On the other hand, I feel for Winky... most avoided man in boxing for a long time,, couldn't get re-match with Taylor... couldn't get a fight with Pavlik.
So many great opportunities, he just couldn't get.

Contrast that to Joe, who turned down the idea of fighting anyone decent who wanted to challenge him just because he thought in his own mind that he was above n beyond them.... (and i believe the only reason he even fought Bernard is because he knew his work-rate would see him through!).
Perhaps no-one has quashed fight-offers from as many big-names in as short a period as JoeCal did.

 

I wonder how many PACFAN alt's are discussing Joe in this thread?

:think