Good point, I was stuck there on who to put in, I`ll maybe change him for Winky Wright. I`ll go edit right now :good
Floyd Mayweather Jr. 2008 *INACTIVE 2007 Dec. 8 -- Ricky Hatton, Las Vegas, NV, TKO 10 May 5 -- Oscar De La Hoya, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 2006 Nov. 4 -- Carlos Baldomir, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 Apr. 8 -- Zab Judah, Las Vegas, NV, W 12 2005 Nov. 19 -- Sharmba Mitchell, Portland, OR, TKO 6 June 25 -- Arturo Gatti, Atlantic City, NJ, TKO 6 Jan. 22 -- Henry Bruseles, Miami, FL, TKO 8 2004 May 22 -- DeMarcus Corley, Atlantic City, NJ, W 12 2003 Nov. 1 -- Phillip N'Dou, Grand Rapids, Michigan, TKO 7 Apr. 19 -- Victoriano Sosa, Fresno, CA, W 12 2002 Dec. 7 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12 Apr. 20 -- Jose Luis Castillo, Las Vegas, W 12 2001 Nov. 10 -- Jesus Chavez, San Francisco, California, TKO 10 May 26 -- Carlos Hernandez, Grand Rapids, Michigan, W 12 Jan. 20 -- Diego Corrales, Las Vegas, TKO 10 2000 Oct. 21 -- Emanuel Burton, Detroit, Michigan, TKO 9 Mar. 18 -- Goyo Vargas, Las Vegas, W 12 Wow!! what a record!! , and he even dare to call himself the greatest. Best wins Corrales & Castillo,IMO. You be the judge.
Having Juan Manuel Marquez at 4 and Erik Morales at 10 is a testament to how fickle and absent minded the average Boxing fan is.
Career for career obviously I'd have Morales higher but this is the last decade and sadly Morales lost some fights towards the end whereas Marquez has been more consistent. I certainly never try to be fickle or absent minded. Think its easy? Give me your own list so I can have ago back at least.
OK, basically I compiled my list by finding those fighters who this decade faced the most number of "tough" opposition, looked at how many times they were victorious, and last looked at how many losses they obtained overall. The "tough" and "elite" are in quotation because it is only my opinion but it may not be yours. Notice that some fighters with perfect or near perfect records are not on the list because they may not have faced as many "tough" opposition as the listed fighters. I preferred to list those fighters who, eventhough they may have more losses than the aforementioned fighters, never backed down from a challenge because that is what makes the best the best. 1. Manny Pacquiao - beat Hatton, De La Hoya, Marquez, Barrera (twice), Morales (twice), Solis, and Larios while losing to Morales (once) and drawing Marquez (once) - record against "tough" opposition and all losses: 9-1-1 I listed Pacquiao as #1 because of his dominance over much of the "elite" 2. Floyd Mayweather Jr. - beat Hatton, De La Hoya, Baldomir, Judah, Gatti, Castillo (twice), J. Chavez, Hernandez, and Corrales while losing to none - record against tough opposition and all loses: 10-0-0 I listed Mayweather as #2 because of his perfect record against the "elite" 3. Wladimir Klitschko - beat Chagaev, Rahman, Ibragimov, Brewster (once), Austin, Brock, Byrd (twice), Peter, and Barret while losing to Sanders and Brewster (once): record against "tough" opposition and all loses: 10-2-0 I listed W. Klitschko as #3 because of his dominance for the past 5 years 4. Miguel Angel Cotto - beat Clottey, Mosley, Judah, Quintana, Malignaggi, and Torres while losing to Margarito (once) - record against "tough" opposition and all losses: 6-1-0 I listed Cotto as #4 because of his will to fight the best and be victorious 5. Juan Manuel Marquez - beat J. Diaz, Casamayor, Juarez, Jaca, and Barrera while losing to Pacquiao (once), John (once), and drawing Pacquiao (once) - record against "tough" opposition and all losses: 5-2-1 I listed Marquez as #5 because of the surge he has made the past 5 years 6. Hopkins - beat Pavlik, Wright, Tarver, De La Hoya, and Trinidad while losing to Calzaghe (once) and Taylor (twice): record against "tough" opposition and all losses: 5-3-0 I listed Hopkins as #6 because of the # of elite fighters he has faced 7. Shane Mosley - beat Margarito, Mayorga, Collazo, Vargas (twice), and De La Hoya (twice) while losing to Cotto (once), Wright (twice) and Forrest (twice) - record againts "tough" opposition and all losses: 7-5-0 I listed Mosley as #7 because of the # of elite fighters he has faced 8. Ricky Hatton - beat Malignaggi, Castillo, Urango, Collazo, and Tszyu while losing to Pacquiao and Mayweather - record against "tough" opposition and all losses: 5-2-0 I listed Hatton as #8 because he strived to fight the best 9. Marco Antonio Barrera -beat Juarez (twice), Morales (twice), Hamed, and Freitas while losing to Khan, Pacquiao (twice), Marquez, and Morales (once) - record against "tough" opposition and all losses: 6-5-0 I listed Barrera as #9 because of his courage and the fact that his losses in the latter part of his career reflect the type of wars he was in previous 10. Erik Morales - beat Pacquiao (once), Hernandez, J. Chavez, and Barrera (once), while losing to Diaz, Pacquiao (twice), Raheem, and Barrera (twice) - record against "tough" oppostion and all loses: 4-6-0 I listed Barrera as #10 because of his courage and the fact that his losses in the latter part of his career reflect the type of wars he was in previous
He should be. Cotto has a 5-0 record against Moslety, Judah, Quintana, Clottey, Malignaggi, and Torres. His lone loss is now controversial since it was at the hand of the now outcast Margarito.
Good list and well thought out but I just cant take Wlad seriously at #3, I mean the guys he fought might have been dangerous to him but its a pretty 'bum' heavyweight era, I dont regret leaving him out. I think some of your tough fights are judged wrong, I would say Hopkins won tougher fights than Cotto or Marquez but thats just me. Hatton is just outside the top ten for me, he beat some good guys like Castillo and Tszyu but lost his two biggest fights convincingly. The one guy from your list I might have found a place for is Miguel Cotto who a few people have mentioned. Thanks for participating!
1. Manny Pacquiao- Barrera, Morales (x), Marquez, Hatton, Hoya (x) 2. Bernard Hopkins - Pavlik, Trinidad, Wright, Tarver, Hoya (x), MW Reign 3. Floyd Mayweather Jr - Hatton, Corrales, Castillo, unbeaten 4. Marco Antonio Barrera - Morales x2, Hamed 5. Erik Morales - Barrera, Pacquiao 6. Shane Mosley - Margarito, De La Hoya x2 7. Juan Manuel Marquez - Juan Diaz, Barrera (x) 8. Winky Wright - Mosley, Trinidad (x) 9. Israel Vasquez- Marquez x2, Gonzalez 0. Joe Calzaghe - Unbeaten, Kessler, Hopkins I marked each fighter who I felt was past his prime with an x. It's not a detailed or particularly good way of justifying my choices, but I tried to do it on resume mainly. Mayweather got on high because how good and consistant he has been whilst remaining unbeaten and moving up in weight, whereas Wladimir has just dominating a division (nothing more yo u can ask of him in that regard). - I feel Morales and Barrera are interchangable. - Juan Manuel Marquez is stil going strong whereas Barrera and Morales are finished but till this day, Marquez still doesn't have the resume to rival. - Joe Calzaghe scrapes onto the list. Not going to argue with anyone who throws in Oscar or Vasquez instead.
Morales lost fights at the end of his career because he got old, just like many great fighters did before him and will continue to do after him. Marquez has beaten Barrera (past prime) and Juan Diaz since 2000. There his big wins, in my opinion. Morales has defeated peak Barrera, prime Pacquiao, and Hernandez etc. Barrera has defeated Morales twice, once prime, and prime undefeated Hamed. Resume wise, Marquez shouldn't be rated higher.
Fair enough I asked for a list and you gave me one and I cant fault it. :good I see we agree on the top three at least but I'm not budging over Marquez for reasons I've already mentioned, even if I'm wrong! :bart ps Ive put up a list of the top ten boxers from the twenties if you or anyone else fancies tearing it to pieces. Its in the classic forum.
I've took out Klitschko and put in Vasquez. I think Oscar is too hit and miss to be listed among the top 10 of this decade, and I was thinking of Cotto, but eventually gave Vasquez. He's been ranked among the top 10 p4p for awhile now. He can keep his place for now, he's been winning fights in a very tough division. I have a big problem with people all of a sudden thinking Marquez should be ranked above Morales and Barrera on the basis of a win over Juan Diaz. He looked terribly vunerable in that fight, and then the purists tried to come out afterwards saying what a marvelous performance it was. They tend to forget Diaz was nailbitingly close. Barrera and Morales both got their signature wins since 2000 and onwards, anyhow.
I see where your coming from but I think Marquez's performances against Pacquiao should be taken into consideration especially his draw. But you've convinced me I should have Morales higher. Not many people get me to admit I'm wrong!