British Forum: Which ATG was Calzaghe greater then?

I'm having trouble coming up with a definitive case for Trinidad>Calzaghe.

But seriously, Calzaghe better than Trinidad?

Doesn't seem right to me, if that is the case, its purely because Calzaghe hid for so long, and Trinidad took on a MUCH better level of compeition over a longer period of time.

So Trinidad is essentially being penalised for not fighting more bums.

 

Not to mention stopping an unbeaten young terror in Vargas as well as Mayorga (who'd never been down before). :good

And Campas/Camacho.

 

Jeff, I need to see a rough version of your top 100.

Or a simpler question would be, do you consider LaMotta to be in the top 100 ATGs?

Any way you look at it it is impossible to name 100 fighter who have done more in the sport.

Or 10 fighters in history with more skill and talent.

 

What are you smoking

 

When I do a list like this, I don't normally include current fighters. If so, then Toney and RJJ would be included. It would look more like this:

1. Calzaghe
2. Benn
3. RJJ
4. Eubank
5. Toney

Still, I would have Calzaghe top based on their achievements in the division, obviously Toney and RJJ are ahead of Calzaghe in an ATG sense.

 

**** me Kos I just nearly choked. Thank the heavens above for your last sentence

 

i cant believe you just put the tito/oscar and joe/bhop matches in the same catogory

 

This is unfair. I very much doubt you could get any "talented fighter" to 46-0 given some the opposition Calzaghe faced. Sure there a lot of gimmee fights in there but there's also a variety of styles to overcome. Calzaghe fought and beat bigger men, shorter men, bigger punchers, more technically proficient boxers, wild brawlers, overweight fatties, defensive boxers and aggressive come forward fighters. Any talented fighter would slip up at some point... and most do. Hell, Calzaghe even gave some of them a headstart by getting knocked down.

There has also been adversity for Calzaghe... In the Eubank, Reid, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones, Bika and Mitchell fights, there were moments when the chips were down. They're not all bad fighters and some of them were very good. Some of them had Calzaghe in trouble but they couldn't find a way to ram home the advantage. Given the situations, I think it's disrespectful to say that the 46-0 was easy to get to and could easily be replicated by anybody.

I sometimes wonder if Calzaghe would get more credit if he was 45-1 given the same list of opponents.

 

Yes, their HIS fighters. It's a decent attempt at a list, and the point is any list you find you could easily argue that Calzaghe could slot in anywhere from 80-100.

You could not make a list where that isn't the case, I guarantee you.

Naming 20 guys and saying Calzaghe isn't as good as them is not an achivement, its pretty damn easy infact. However, you'll need to do more to prove than he conclusively does not deserve to be considered.

 

TFFP, Calzaghe>Trinidad or Trinidad>Calzaghe?

 

Great post that :good

 

For me, Joe at his best gave any fighter Ive seen a stackful of problems. He basically negated the strengths of any fighter he ever faced. Nobody looked good against Joe. He was just too unorthodox, too quick, too much pressure.

I think its a leap of faith to say anyone dominates him because it just never happened.

That said I dont think his prime was that long. He kept improving a lot longer than most fighters. Maybe 4 years?